5MV Nomenclature Poll III - Why yes, I *am* overusing this name

[Zeke]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]So yeah, as newsposted, 5MV is getting a new domain name. The question is, which one? Fiveminute.com, my first choice, is taken; the simplest alternatives are five-minute.com (which I'm leaning towards), fiveminute.net, and fiveminute.org. Surprisingly, 5mv.com is taken too. I probably wouldn't have wanted that one, though, because of the way the subsite URLs work -- "five-minute.com/farscape" scans well, just as "fiveminute/farscape" does now.

Since I can't get the domain right away, I figured I'd ask you guys for your thoughts. Which of the choices above do you like best? Or, if you have another idea, what is it? (Don't let the "scanning" thing stop you if you have suggestions.)

Also, I don't know yet which domain name registrar I'm going to use. I could use some advice from those of you who have or have had websites. What experiences have you had with registrars? Which ones have the best service and prices? Please share. (Note: I'll need one with DNS service.)[/color:post_uid0]

[Celeste]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]I don't really think of FMV as an organization or I would have said go with that. Five-minute.com is my choice. :) I don' tmind typing a hypen hehe.[/color:post_uid0]

[Derek]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Just to weigh in, I like the hyphen. I think it looks better, and also the site has the hypen whenever it uses the term Five-Minute.

five-minute.com is a fine domain name (and what I voted for), and in general .coms are the most frequently thought of top-level domains. However, technically, .com stands for commerical sites, which 5MV isn't. .org stands for non-profit sites, which 5MV is. Some part of me wants to say that you should get five-minute.org instead.

Of course, nobody really follows the rules regarding .com, .net, and .org so it's not a big deal.[/color:post_uid0]

[catalina_marina]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]I second that.

[quote:post_uid0]I don' tmind typing a hypen hehe.[/quote:post_uid0]
Yeah, I'm used to typing an underscore whenever I log in. Same button, less shift. :D[/color:post_uid0]

[Zeke]

[quote:post_uid0="Derek"][color=#000000:post_uid0]Just to weigh in, I like the hyphen. I think it looks better, and also the site has the hypen whenever it uses the term Five-Minute.[/color:post_uid0][/quote:post_uid0]
[color=#000000:post_uid0]Oo, that's a good point. I hadn't thought of --

CELESTE! You changed your avatar! You CHANGED your AVATAR! You! Changed! YOUR avatar! Why? WHY?[/color:post_uid0]

[Derek]

[color=#000000:post_uid0][quote:post_uid0="Zeke"]Also, I don't know yet which domain name registrar I'm going to use. I could use some advice from those of you who have or have had websites. What experiences have you had with registrars? Which ones have the best service and prices? Please share. (Note: I'll need one with DNS service.)[/quote:post_uid0]
I set up my simple domain (dadean.org) with namesecure.com. I interact with it using their web-based service. I've never had any complaints with them, but I've never had any praise for them either. Price-wise I think they lean a little cheaper then the average, but I'm pretty sure there are others that are cheaper still.

namesecure.com basically lets you do one of four things:
Forward to another URL Forward to an IP address (what I currently do)> Put up a placeholder site Put up an under construction page
Its main drawback is that it doesn't handle email well. If you send email to anything at dadean.org, they all get forwarded to my real email address, so it doesn't allow for separate email accounts for separate people and it won't just pass them along to the server. In the case of my personal computer, that's fine, but I think the email thing would prevent me from ever using namesecure for something professional.

(And what do you mean you need one with DNS service? Don't they all provide that? Am I missing something?)[/color:post_uid0]

[Celeste]

[quote:post_uid0="Zeke"][color=#000000:post_uid0]CELESTE! You changed your avatar! You CHANGED your AVATAR! You! Changed! YOUR avatar! Why? WHY?[/color:post_uid0][/quote:post_uid0]
[color=#000000:post_uid0]::falls over::

I like it! It's still the Bernese mt Dogs. :P I actualy made it in Photoshop which I just pur- uh.. aquired.[/color:post_uid0]

[Nan]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]MyDomain (http://www.mydomain.com) has pretty good services. A web designer friend of mine linked me,and it's what I use for my i-winterbourne and working-title domains. $8.50 USD (about $11ish CDN), with a control panel and lots of services.

However, the webmail never worked for me, and I cancelled the service after about a week. V. annoying. Might've been because of my host, but whatever.

Worth a look, anyway.[/color:post_uid0]

[Marill]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]I personally like fiveminute.net.. I prefer .net and some people may forget to put the - in the .com one.[/color:post_uid0]

[Scooter]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]There's no reason you can't reserve [i:post_uid0]both[/i:post_uid0] names. For example, you can reserve five-minute.com, make that your main domain, and then forward fiveminute.net to it. You might even want to do for a while that with the .ar domain you already have, which some people might be using.

Registrars all perform the same service, which means I would select by price and additional services. I've had good experience with GoDaddy, which charges $8.75 (last time I checked) and has some good additional services (including domain forwarding, email, etc.), many of them at no extra charge; their support has also been pretty good. In any event there's no reason to pay more than $9 for a domain. I would definitely avoid the two registrar dinosaurs, Network Solutions and Register.com. They overcharge and their support is terrible.[/color:post_uid0]

[Scooter]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]PS -- if you really really really wanted fiveminute.com, you could always contact the existing owners and see if they want to sell it, since they're not using it. Chances are they'd want too much for it, though.

You can get domain owner info at NetSol WHOIS (http://www.networksolutions.com/en_US/whois/index.jhtml).[/color:post_uid0]

[Zeke]

[quote:post_uid0="Derek"][color=#000000:post_uid0](And what do you mean you need one with DNS service? Don't they all provide that? Am I missing something?)[/color:post_uid0][/quote:post_uid0]
[color=#000000:post_uid0]Allow me to clarify with a flashback.

[i:post_uid0][20:40] Zeke: I think fiveminute.com is taken, so I'd probably want five-minute.com.
[20:40] OJ: Just a registrar, or also a domain host (someone to provide DNS service as well as register the name)?
[20:41] Zeke: What's DNS service exactly?
[20:42] OJ: Somewhere there has to be a server that answers "www.five-minute.com is at 12.34.56.78". Some DNS registrars provide that as well as registering the domain itself (a prerequisite process that is somewhat independent of actual DNS serving).
[20:42] Zeke: Hmm. What do you recommend?
[20:44] OJ: It ties into where you're getting hosted. If they're willing to set up an actual virtualhost in the web server for you, get a real domain with someone who also provides DNS service (godaddy? I dunno. I use register.com but they're spendy for no good reason.) and get your host to set up the web server to do the right thing (that's the easy part).

If it's <host>/some/dir then you'd be better off finding someone who can do redirection, and I don't know where to start on that one because, frankly, redirection SUCKS. [/i:post_uid0]

Actually, allow me to clarify further with another flashback.

[i:post_uid0][12:01] Christian: It's the first thing. You would indeed need to go to a registrar that provides a DNS service, where you would then enter our server's IP address.
[12:02] Zeke: Okay. I'll look into getting one of those. Where did you get your domains, btw?
[12:02] Christian: Network Solutions, but they're the most expensive in the business.
[12:02] Zeke: How expensive?
[12:03] Christian: Starting at $35 for one year, going down to $15 for ten years. And that's without a DNS service.
[12:04] Zeke: That *is* pretty hefty.
[12:07] Christian: What you'd want is something like this:
http://support.easydns.com/service/dnsbundle.php3
[12:08] Christian: (But then, preferably, for a lower price)
[12:09] Zeke: Ahh.
[12:22] Christian: What I think might be the most affordable option for you would be the following:
1) You would register a domain name at a place like GoDaddy.com. This would cost you $7.95 for a dot-com-address.
2) You would get a Basic DNS package at WorldWideDNS.net. This would cost you $10 per year for one domain name.

The total for that would then be $17.95 per year.[/i:post_uid0][/color:post_uid0]

[Marc]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]>> Just to weigh in, I like the hyphen. I think it looks better, and also the site has the hypen whenever it uses the term Five-Minute. <<

I agree on all counts.[/color:post_uid0]

[Nic Corelli]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Me too. .com is cool.[/color:post_uid0]

[mudshark]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]"Five-minute.com" works for me, but then, I'm easy.

Whatever works, I'll be there to read, as long as you keep coming up with stuff.[/color:post_uid0]

[evay]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]I like "Sci-Fivers.com," but then I was the one sent in that suggestion for the first poll. ;) "Five-minute.com" works too.[/color:post_uid0]

[NAHTMMM]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]I'm leaning toward the .com or maybe the .net right now.

I'm just kinda surprised Zeke isn't springing for something along the lines of www.mmmpie.com/ohyeahandherearethefivers.html ;) ;)


*runs*[/color:post_uid0]

[Nan]

[color=#000000:post_uid0][quote:post_uid0="Zeke"]The total for that would then be $17.95 per year.[/quote:post_uid0]
Or about $11.30 at MyDomain. (Edit: $11.30 CDN. $8.50 USD.)

*shrug*

I should take liquid's advice more often. ;)[/color:post_uid0]

[Wowbagger]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Hmmm... Can't vote. But I don't like the hyphen, because it makes it harder for me to tell my friends the URL. I just flat gave up with the 3sygma domain. This is a great opportunity to add hits with a simple domain name. But I agree that the hyphen looks better, aesthetically speaking.[/color:post_uid0]

[Kira]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]I really dislike the hyphen too. It's a lot easier to tell people the url, and to remember it, if it's just one word. I hate sites that have dashes and other weird stuff in their urls.[/color:post_uid0]

[Nan]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Yeah, except most people have already taken the one-word addresses by now.

There's also fiveminute.ca, too.

[quote:post_uid0="Kira"]I hate sites that have dashes and other weird stuff in their urls.[/quote:post_uid0]
Like I-Winterbourne.com or Working-Title.com? ;)[/color:post_uid0]

[Trip]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Whoa. Trip, the mysterious visitor who never goes to the forum but checks the site daily and is STILL awaiting an e-mail from Zeke, has come to the forum to give his input. (Zeke, I have the fiver I ask permission to do in the e-mail done already, if you'd like to have a look)

I also dislike the hyphen. It looks nice, but it's hard to give out a name like that. I always get people who don't know what a 'dash' is and put in a slash. I'd just stick with alphabetical letters.

When I got my domain, www.quelorant.com (please check it out, it's a comedy site), I thought about getting something with dashes. When I asked the people who weren't as computer-literate, I realized that the simpler the better, not that Quelorant is easy to spell.

If you must know, it's a word I made up meaning 'bored.'

- Trip[/color:post_uid0]

[taya17]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]I also agree that while the hyphenated version looks better, it's much easier to type, and give out the version without a hyphen in it.

I also prefer the '.net' ending. '.com' has always sounded rather... cold and detached to me, while '.net' has a hint of togetherness implied by the "network" association.

JMTCW. ;)[/color:post_uid0]

[Scooter]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Bizarre. Comment sentiment seems to be working toward the unhyphenated dot net, but the votes are going tothe dot com 3 to 1. Interesting phenomenon.[/color:post_uid0]

[Nan]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Why not get both?

That way, those who hate hyphens can type in the "counterculture" .net, and those who like hyphens can type in the .com.[/color:post_uid0]

[BR48]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]I liked the Sci-Fivers suggestion, but I think it would be better without the hyphen.

Is scifivers.com taken? I think that would scan well...

scifivers.com/farscape
scifivers.com/andromeda
scifivers.com/enterprise

That works pretty well, IMHO.[/color:post_uid0]

[Derek]

[quote:post_uid0="Zeke"][color=#000000:post_uid0]Allow me to clarify with a flashback.[/color:post_uid0][/quote:post_uid0]
[color=#000000:post_uid0]Ah. I guess I am just missing something. It strikes me as silly for a registrar to register a name, but not actually perform the service of tying it with its IP.[/color:post_uid0]

[MmeBlueberry]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]I like five-minute.org. But I voted for five-minute.com.[/color:post_uid0]

[Standback]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]I favor the .net, for the reasons others before me have already stated. When it comes to URLs, KISS is perhaps more important than "looks elegant".[/color:post_uid0]

[PointyHairedJedi]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Odd. It's telling me that I've voted but I haven't. Anyway, my preference is for the .net domain name (though scifivers.com is pretty good too).[/color:post_uid0]

[MaverickZer0]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]/Insert ProtoMan-type whistle here/

five-minute.com sounds good, but fiveminute.ca would be nice. Just so everyone knows it's Canadian. (As if a truly intelligent person could miss the 'This Hour Has 22 Minutes' references everywhere.)

I'm not sure the hyphen is such a good idea though. Some people have keyboards with weird characters in, and not everyone has a hyphen.

(The reason I don't go to JuPiter Station anymore, besides that I prefer working on  a site that has a 'ship I like, is there's a hyphen in the address.)[/color:post_uid0]

[galibert]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]I suspect you may consider the restrictions on .ca names annoying: https://secure.cancon.com/ca-types.html.

As for the registrar, I'd recommend http://www.gandi.net/. Â It's a registrar that has been created by geeks a while ago when domain names where $35/year to undercut the business, and it still shows. Â The domain is yours, there are no conditions nor fees to move to another registrar. Â Gandi can procide DNS services or not, as you wish. Â If they do, they can provide web and/or email redirections (no web space, no web mail, just redirections), or leave you in complete control of your domain. Â In particular, if your host has virtual hosting and is willing, you can extremely easily do things like http://enterprise.five-minute.com/ at no supplemental cost to anybody. Â And everything is handled through web forms that talk to perl scripts.

And in addition, they're french. Â Jean-Luc will be pleased.

 OG.[/color:post_uid0]

[Derek]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]^ Cool site, galibert. Wish I had seen them before renewing my domain with namesecure.[/color:post_uid0]

[MinutiaeMan]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Although I understand the recognition that a .com domain provides, I must also agree that it's more appropriate for a site like 5MV to get a .org domain, which is for non-profit sites in general. Â (I didn't realize that when I bought my own domain; go figure. ;))

I'll also like the domain either with or without the dash, either way doesn't matter to me.

Alternatively, Zeke, if you wait a few weeks (or months), you could get www.fiveminute.xxx instead. Â Think of the traffic [i:post_uid0]that[/i:post_uid0] domain might generate! :p :D[/color:post_uid0]

[Celeste]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Know what would be cool? www.xxx.yyy/zzz hehehe[/color:post_uid0]

[A'Lexa]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Would www.5minute.com work?[/color:post_uid0]

[Opium]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]What about www.5minute.ca?[/color:post_uid0]

[PointyHairedJedi]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Or you could confuse everybody by waiting and getting an .eu domain name. :D[/color:post_uid0]

[Celeste]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]I hate websites that end in something other than .com, .org, .net this whole .co.uk and .com.au, and blech! I don't like it. lol Just don't do it Zeke! Don't give in to it![/color:post_uid0]

[Zeke]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]To answer those who have suggested Sci-Fivers names like scifivers.com, there's a simple answer: if I wanted to do that, I'd just stick with the one I already have, sci-fivers.com.ar.

The points against hyphens are well taken, and I have to agree that I wouldn't mind having a URL I could just [i:post_uid0]tell[/i:post_uid0] people. (3sygma.com is awkward that way, and sci-fivers.com.ar even more so.) Due to this and the other arguments you guys have given, fiveminute.net is now in the lead for me, but I'll let this thread continue for a couple more days before I decide.

5minute.com is an interesting thought. I've never really liked using a 5 in the "five-minute" part, but it's shorter and the .com is available. I wish I'd thought of it for the poll. What do you guys think of 5minute.com as opposed to fiveminute.net?

I'm very happy at the turnout in this thread, by the way. Nice to see some of you less frequent posters. Speaking of which....

[quote:post_uid0]/Insert ProtoMan-type whistle here/[/quote:post_uid0]

ROFL! It's so good to have another Mega Man fan around here.[/color:post_uid0]

[catalina_marina]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]I think 5minute.com would be all right, if only it hadn't been taken yet.[/color:post_uid0]

[Nan]

[quote:post_uid0="galibert"][color=#000000:post_uid0]...do things like http://enterprise.five-minute.com/...[/color:post_uid0][/quote:post_uid0]
[color=#000000:post_uid0]Ooooh, subdomains.

Nice. :D[/color:post_uid0]

[Michiel]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Originally, I voted for five-minute.com. But I hadn't read the thread yet. I change my vote to fiveminute.net. .net is just more logical. 5mv is not a company or an organization.[/color:post_uid0]

[MaverickZer0]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]5minute.com works, I guess.

Especially since you use the number 5 for the seperate areas, like 5MV. (5ME, 5MD, etc.)[/color:post_uid0]

[Scooter]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]If you're worried about telling people the name, keep in mind that for 5minute.com you'll have to say "five (the number five) minute dot com," which might well get tiring after a while for savings of three keystrokes. Fiveminute.net is definitely the simplest domain name when it comes to giving it orally.[/color:post_uid0]

[Andy Taylor]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Well, I love .org addresses because org sounds funny. But that's about it. Having a .com name sounds v. cool, with the only annoyance being the hypen. Though as pointed out, the hypen is used throughout the site and would thus make sense. Besides, I'd only have to use the new address once to update my favourites list and I'm sorted. :p

Anyway, www.five-minute.com is quicker to type than www.3sygma.com/fiveminute, so wouldn't it be an improvement overall?

*Shut up AT and take your smart-alec comments with you! :swear:*[/color:post_uid0]

[Zeke]

[quote:post_uid0="catalina_marina"][color=#000000:post_uid0]I think 5minute.com would be all right, if only it hadn't been taken yet.[/color:post_uid0][/quote:post_uid0]
[color=#000000:post_uid0]Oh, I get it. It was bought by someone who only made it [i:post_uid0]look[/i:post_uid0] like it was available. Same for 5minute.net. Ah well.[/color:post_uid0]

[Derek]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Well, regarding 5/five, I think Scooter's right about always having to say "5 (the number five) minute dot com". At the same time, I like the fact that 5 is a fairly unique prefix for a webpage, and since I don't use bookmarks, I like the fact that just typing 3 makes the entire 3sygma URL autocomplete. If we had 5minute, typing 5 would produce similar results.

Then again, if they're taken, let's just stick with five.[/color:post_uid0]

[MmeBlueberry]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Well, even though it's apparently unavailable, I'm still going to say what I think about 5minute.anything: I don't like it. When the word "minute" is spelled out on the site, so is the word "five." The only time the numeral is used is when it's being abbreviated, as in 5MV.

(And the hyphen is used in the site as well... ;) )[/color:post_uid0]

[mudshark]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]What Derek said.[/color:post_uid0]

[Nic Corelli]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]So it seems we`re looking for the simplest solution, and that would definitely be www.fiveminute.net. Hyphen is cool when used on the site, but not cool when you`re talking to someone and giving them the address. Which means .net is better. And the fact the site isn`t commercial, another plus for .net

I voted for five-minute.com, but I change my vote to fiveminute.net :D[/color:post_uid0]

[Marc]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]>> www.fiveminute.net. Hyphen is cool when used on the
site, but not cool when you`re talking to someone and giving them the address. <<

Yes, that's a good point. Likewise the point about how it's simpler to spell everything out rather than mixing numerals with letters.[/color:post_uid0]

[Celeste]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]I stand by five-minute.com So you gotta type a hyphen :;shrugs:: it just sounds better than fiveminute.net[/color:post_uid0]

[MaverickZer0]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]There's another consideration: take out the www.

www.fiveminute.net may be taken, but what about just http://fiveminute.net ?[/color:post_uid0]

[Trip]

[quote:post_uid0="MaverickZer0"][color=#000000:post_uid0]There's another consideration: take out the www.

www.fiveminute.net may be taken, but what about just http://fiveminute.net ?[/color:post_uid0][/quote:post_uid0]
[color=#000000:post_uid0]www. counts like a subdomain. It doesn't make a bit of difference. If go.com is used, it doesn't matter whether or not they used yousuck.go.com, they own it.

- Trip[/color:post_uid0]

[Kira]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Also, www.fiveminute.net isn't taken. Only www.fiveminute.com is. It doesn't seem to actually be in use, but whatever.[/color:post_uid0]

[Katy Jane]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]I voted for www.five-minute.com the before, but i think i like www.fiveminute.net better too.[/color:post_uid0]

[PointyHairedJedi]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Or fiveminute.tv? That would really confuse people.

Whadya mean, that's not the point?[/color:post_uid0]

[Nate the Great]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]I'm for five-minute.com. To me, calling 5MV an "organization" is a bit generous. :lol:

But seriously, I don't have that many Trekkie friends in real life that have the time for such sites, so the whole hyphen thing isn't really a concern. If you're gonna be e-mailing or IMing the site the hyphen really isn't a concern.

Please keep pestering me to get that fiver done that I've had reserved for what seems like a year. And as a shameless plug, please read my fivers both here and over at 5MSG.[/color:post_uid0]

[Nate the Great]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Oh, yeah, right. If you're gonna read my fivers you should know that I am the one, the only, Nate the Great.[/color:post_uid0]

[Zeke]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Well, I've taken the plunge. I bought www.fiveminute.net at GANDI. I'll let you guys know as soon as it's active.[/color:post_uid0]

[Michiel]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Are you going to move the forums too? I know that can be a pain with forums like phpBB, but I don't know about Ikonboard.

Anyway, if you do, you should use a subdomain like forums.fiveminute.net. And you should do the same with all the subsites. At least, if subdomains don't cost extra money with Gandi. I have to pay €12,50 for each subdomain I want to use. :mad: I need to choose my hosting-providers with more care.[/color:post_uid0]

[taya17]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Oh no! If you must move the Forums you've gotta move it very very very slowly and carefully, just as if you're pipetting chromosomal DNA which you don't want to shear!

Because you don't want to lose any parts of the board! Right? [i:post_uid0]Right?[/i:post_uid0][/color:post_uid0]

[Zeke]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]The forums are coming, and all their data with them. No worries.[/color:post_uid0]

[Michiel]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Well, some forums provide an option to make a backup. :)

[quote:post_uid0]just as if you're pipetting chromosomal DNA[/quote:post_uid0]

Is there also some other kind of DNA?[/color:post_uid0]

[Standback]

[color=#000000:post_uid0][quote:post_uid0]Well, I've taken the plunge. I bought www.fiveminute.net at GANDI. I'll let you guys know as soon as it's active.[/quote:post_uid0]
Yaaaaaay! :D

::Debates whether or not to make crack about democracy, but refrains, as this is the one he liked most to begin with in any case::[/color:post_uid0]

[catalina_marina]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Democracy? What's that? ;)[/color:post_uid0]

[taya17]

[quote:post_uid0="Michiel"][color=#000000:post_uid0][quote:post_uid0]just as if you're pipetting chromosomal DNA[/quote:post_uid0]

Is there also some other kind of DNA?[/color:post_uid0][/quote:post_uid0]
[color=#000000:post_uid0]Sure there is. Plasmid DNA, cDNA, probe DNA... lots of different classifications of DNA when it comes to lab work.[/color:post_uid0]