April 24

[Zeke]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]

And now, at last, we're back! Not all the work of the server move is [i:post_uid0]completely[/i:post_uid0] finished (the forum colours still need a bit of tweaking, for example), but it's time to get back to updating -- and we're making our re-entrance with a bang. Here, much delayed, is the second-anniversary celebration of Five-Minute Star Trek (../startrek).


Two years, two months, and two days ago, 5MST was launched under the care of IJD GAF. It's become one of our most popular and prolific subsites -- and that's never been more obvious than today, when the Animated Series becomes the first Trek show to be [i:post_uid0]completely[/i:post_uid0] covered at 5MV. There were four episodes left, and we've divvied them up as follows:
<ul> IJD himself did "The Pirates of Orion (../startrek/fiver.php?ep=thepiratesoforion)";
Kira handled "The Terratin Incident (../startrek/fiver.php?ep=theterratinincident)";
Kristina Runyeon-Odeberg tackled "Albatross (../startrek/fiver.php?ep=albatross)" (some time ago, in fact -- we held it back for this event);
and I did "Bem (../startrek/fiver.php?ep=bem)." This one's got a twist -- I won't spoil it for you, but I suggest you read it in IE or Netscape, because Opera doesn't seem to get it quite right.[/list]
That last fiver is part of my anniversary present for 5MST, but not all of it. I've also made new subsite graphics which differentiate between the original, animated, and movie series, and I've converted the files to a new PHP-based system. That last part won't make much difference to you readers, but it makes a [i:post_uid0]big[/i:post_uid0] difference behind the scenes. (Unfortunately, I haven't got the episode blurbs copied yet, so they're blank right now. I'll get them filled in tomorrow if I have time. That may not be the only thing that pops up tomorrow, by the way.)
Some acknowledgements for the server move and the TAS event:
<ul> First off, anyone who's been following 5MV for long will have heard me mention Owen, the administrator of 3Sygma and a very good friend of mine. For three years now, 3Sygma has been the perfect host for 5MV; Owen freed us from Angelfire ads and helped with countless tech matters over the years. But it's finally come to the point where running 3Sygma is no longer a reasonable possibility for him. We at 5MV are deeply grateful to Owen for all the work he's done (including during the server move itself -- he completely knocked himself out setting up the forums and such). Ave atque vale, 3Sygma: we salute you.
All that said, I couldn't be happier about where we're going. I'm extremely grateful to Christian, overlord of TrekToday, for agreeing to host 5MV. The Trek Nation will be a great home for us; it's powerful enough to handle our bandwidth easily, and very crash-resistent. My [i:post_uid0]Enterprise[/i:post_uid0] fivers are already published there, and ties between the two sites will be getting closer in other ways. Many thanks also to Charles at TT for helping with the server move.
For today's event, I owe a huge thank you to Brinshannara (http://www.livejournal.com/users/brinshannara/), who made the animations for me on very short notice. (After all, shouldn't an animated series have at least one animated fiver?) She did an amazing job; mad props to her. Thanks also to Merlin Missy of 5MF fame for getting us in touch.
And finally (gasp, pant)... thank you to IJD GAF for running one hell of a subsite for 2-and-a-bit years and counting.[/list]
Welcome back, folks! Try the veal! We'll be here all week.[/color:post_uid0]



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[mudshark]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Good ones, all, and welcome back, everybody! :D

Happy 2-2-2, 5MST! Thanks to all and sundry, and liked the animations.

([b:post_uid0]Z.[/b:post_uid0], you might want to take a look at the disclaimers on this batch.)[/color:post_uid0]

[taya17]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]WHOO HOO!! We're BACK! :D :D :D[/color:post_uid0]

[Gatac]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Hilariousness ensues. (Is that even a word?)

In any event, well done, for such a bloody medium.

Gatac[/color:post_uid0]

[Michiel]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Hey! Good to be back!

You're right. The forum colors could use some tweaking. Posting like this is weird. :) And I think the smilies should be smaller, so that they fit within one line of text. But it all looks good otherwise.

Very nice idea, those animations in Bem. But may I suggest that you replace the entire tag-thing, including the < a > tags with the following:

[code:1:post_uid0]<img name="bem1" src="bemimg/bem-start1.gif" onclick="bem1.src='bemimg/bem-anim1.gif';" style="cursor: pointer;">[/code:1:post_uid0]

It's a lot less buggy, it uses one less image and it works in every browser that has javascript. :) Because it's javascript, you don't need the < a > tags. Because your animated gif only cycles once, you don't need an 'end' image. And I thought it would make a lot more sense if you had to click on them, instead of hover over them.

Take a look.[/color:post_uid0]

[PointyHairedJedi]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Errm, yeah, what he said.

Anyway, Happy Birthday, 5MST! Those fivers were very funny ("That time of the decade" tickled my fancy particularly), and of course the fact that the forums are back up deserves a big WHOOPEE YEEBA YEEBA![/color:post_uid0]

[Derek]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Oh weird. There's a reply space at the bottom of each topic now.

Anyway, great fivers all. Congrats on 2-2-2, IJD. You definitely aren't Amish like this guy :blues:

[quote:post_uid0]Captain's Log: Everything's back to normal. The Orion suicide mission was prevented. And as expected, we will be pressing charges.[/quote:post_uid0]
That was a really funny conclusion to the whole pressing charges joke.

[quote:post_uid0]Supreme Prefect: Thankee, Doctor.
Kirk: How many Scotty soundalikes are there on this show?[/quote:post_uid0]
Good question. Practically all the males were voiced by Scotty and all the females by Chapel.

And Zeke, I love the animated text.

[quote:post_uid0]Spock: But I thought I was the science officer.
Kirk: I've always thought of that as more of an honorary title.[/quote:post_uid0]
Heh.

Congrats again on finishing off the animated series.[/color:post_uid0]

[PointyHairedJedi]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Quick reply! Woo!

Sorry.[/color:post_uid0]

[Nan]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Hail, Owen! We who are about to code salute you! :)

[quote:post_uid0="Zeke"]...I suggest you read it in IE or Netscape, because Opera doesn't seem to get it quite right....[/quote:post_uid0]
Yeah, Opera's weird about animated gifs. Case in point. (http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=http://www.neokraft.net/sottises/zengarden/reloaded.css)

Ah well. At least it wasn't Flash. ;)[/color:post_uid0]

[galibert]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Was Bem as bad as the fiver makes it look like?

OG.[/color:post_uid0]

[Sa'ar Chasm]

[color=#000000:post_uid0][quote:post_uid0]Was Bem as bad as the fiver makes it look like?[/quote:post_uid0]

It was TAS. Of course it wasn't that bad.

It was worse.[/color:post_uid0]

[NAHTMMM]

[color=#000000:post_uid5][quote:post_uid5]Captain's Log: The incompetent captain of the Huron didn't catch the name of the aliens who attacked his ship. It's a good thing such captains don't get their own series.[/quote:post_uid5]
Heeheehee. :D



[quote:post_uid5]Sulu: Nothing abnormal yet, sir. Unless you count the freak sitting next to me.
Arex: Same here, on both counts.
...

Kirk: Well, Scotty's accent is still intact. Sickbay? How are the canaries doing?
McCoy: (over the comm) We don't use canaries anymore, Jim. We're far more sophisticated than that.
Kirk: Well, whatever you're using, is there anything out of the ordinary?
McCoy: The redshirts are still doing fine.
...

Kirk: Begin your scans, Mr. Arex. And this time, no punching Sulu under the console with your third arm.
Arex: Aw.
Sulu: Um, Captain?
Kirk: Ah yes. No kicking him with your third leg, either.
Arex: Aw. Anyways, the planet appears to be --
(FLASH!)
Kirk: What the heck was that?
Spock: Our plot complication, no doubt. It was due to arrive at any moment. As is our engine tr--
Scotty: (over the comm) Sir, I cannae give you warp! The engines have been completely torn apart![/quote:post_uid5]
:laugh: :laugh:

[quote:post_uid5]I pointed out that we would be able to have fun adventures like swimming in a bowl of Cheerios, but nobody else seemed to share my enthusiasm.

With any luck, I can find some friendly insect to tame and carry me in my search for the source of the pulse.[/quote:post_uid5]
:D



[quote:post_uid5]Spock: He heard the word correctly, Jim. He walked into a beam.
Kirk: Just as long as he doesn't make a habit of it.

...
Sulu: Another good answer would have been "We'll know after it eats you."

...
Alien Intelligence: Well, you're not leaving. I hereby disable your weapons with my creepy voodoo mystical powers.
...

Alien Intelligence: Do not destroy yourself, tripartite creature. We all make mistakes. It is part of the human condition to....
(35 minutes later)
Alien Intelligence: ....and that, in conclusion, is why all good little beagles go to Mexican heaven.
Kirk: Your wisdom has touched our hearts, O great one. Bem, are that one feeling better?
Bem: Indeed. This one has learned a great deal from the alien mind's philosophical views.
Alien Intelligence: They are collectively known as Wayism.
Bem: Perhaps someday this one shall be a Reverend of it.
Kirk: Oh ma Gog!

...
Alien Intelligence: (over the comm) All these worlds are yours except for Delta Theta III. And Vagra II. Seriously, don't go there. I'd avoid Ortega too. And if you go to Z'ha'dum, you'll probably die. Other than that, knock yourselves out. Farewell.[/quote:post_uid5]
:laugh: :laugh:


Lots of funny stuff! :)[/color:post_uid5]

[Marc]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Four fine fivers, and a great anniversary wrap-up of the TAS section. :)

Pirate: (on screen) Why are you chasing us? We're merely a vessel of commerce.
Kirk: Yeah, and my favorite ride at Disney is "Traders of the Caribbean."

Spock: I find it odd that nothing else is shrinking except our uniforms.
Kirk: Yes, I find it disappointing too.
Spock: Your ability for selective hearing never ceases to amaze me.

Supreme Prefect: Thankee, Doctor.
Kirk: How many Scotty soundalikes are there on this show?
McCoy: Don't get Spock started on counting them.

Kirk: Let's contact the ship and heyyyyy! These aren't our communicators! Or our phasers!
Spock: Indeed. Someone has substituted cunning facsimiles.
Kirk: Please -- these wouldn't fool anyone. Communicators shaped like the Enterprise's delta pins? Phasers the size of your thumbnail?

To quote Captain Picard in "11001001," Well done all![/color:post_uid0]

[ijdgaf]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Thanks for the congrats everyone; I've got a few of my own.

* First, the writers. Not just for today's update, but for all of TAS. From Kira and Zeke who just now got to try their hand, to Marc, Derek, and Kristina. Kristina, in particular, has contributed more than any other guest writer. It's only fitting that she be part of these ending festivities.

* Next, the readers. It's pretty great to be able to expose TAS to plenty of people who have never seen the show before, and it's wonderful to be able to contribute to those who have.

* Yeah, these are pretty TAS-centric -- so thanks for everyone else. Even if you've ignored the animated stuff and concentrated on the classic series, you're still thankworthy. It's been a great 2 years, and here's to many more -- unless we keep going at this rate ;)

* Finally, here's to Zeke. It was Zeke who originally proposed the TAS section. When I asked him to do 5MST, it hadn't even occurred to me to five the animated stuff. Zeke suggested it, and here we are today. The graphics look great, the layout is perfect. Thanks for everything man. You're hillarious, you're (getting ;) ) organized, and above all, you're a good friend.

(ahem)
So back to your regularly scheduled sparse comments from me. You've got at least a coupla months before I get this wordy again ;)[/color:post_uid0]

[PointyHairedJedi]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Quick! Sombody take a photo so we can hang it on the wall![/color:post_uid0]

[Quinalla]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Someday I will have to actually watch TAS, but great fivers even though I haven't seen 'em! The "Traders of the Caribbean" line was great :D

Oh, and the login screen, the text for "do you want to automatically login.." is black as well as the background, hehe. Options when you post has the same issue.[/color:post_uid0]

[Gatac]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]A technical nit, if I may: I can't log out, nor mark posts as read. Slightly annoying.

Gatac[/color:post_uid0]

[Wade, The Sane Commodore]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Good job on finishing off a series! Oh, and kudos to whoever put the orginial [i:post_uid0]Enterprise[/i:post_uid0] on the TOS link on the front page.

Scotty: USS [i:post_uid0]Enterprise[/i:post_uid0]. NCC-1701. No bloody A, B, C, D, E, or NX-01.[/color:post_uid0]

[mudshark]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]I'm still wondering about the [i:post_uid0]Angel[/i:post_uid0] disclaimers on these. Did I miss something?[/color:post_uid0]

[PointyHairedJedi]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Presumably the disclaimers'll be fixed soon, now that the forum's been betterfied.

EDIT: Now that's cool - the "Member Number" thing is finally working![/color:post_uid0]

[Nic Corelli]

[color=#000000:post_uid5]Wonderful fivers, everyone.

The "Pressing Charges" punnery was brutal, :D[/color:post_uid5]

[mudshark]

[quote:post_uid0="PointyHairedJedi"][color=#000000:post_uid0]EDIT: Now that's cool - the "Member Number" thing is finally working![/color:post_uid0][/quote:post_uid0]
[color=#000000:post_uid0]Awwwww! I'm not member No. 1, anymore. :(


=P[/color:post_uid0]

[Celeste]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]And MarilLena is Member #47! ::squeel::[/color:post_uid0]

[PointyHairedJedi]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]But who is Number 6?[/color:post_uid0]

[catalina_marina]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]NAH. But why 6?[/color:post_uid0]

[Gatac]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]"I am Number 2. You are Number 6."
"Who's Number 1? What side are you on?"
"That would be telling."

Gatac[/color:post_uid0]

[Zeke]

[quote:post_uid0="PointyHairedJedi"][color=#000000:post_uid0]But who is Number 6?[/color:post_uid0][/quote:post_uid0]
[color=#000000:post_uid0]You are Number 1.

(Add that to the list of things I never thought I'd say to PHJ....)[/color:post_uid0]

[Celeste]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]I'm more interested in who is Number 2, and who Number 2 works for. :p[/color:post_uid0]

[Zeke]

[color=#000000:post_uid0][quote:post_uid0="ijdgaf"]* Finally, here's to Zeke. It was Zeke who originally proposed the TAS section. When I asked him to do 5MST, it hadn't even occurred to me to five the animated stuff. Zeke suggested it, and here we are today. The graphics look great, the layout is perfect. Thanks for everything man. You're hillarious, you're (getting ;) ) organized, and above all, you're a good friend.[/quote:post_uid0]
Awwww. Group hug. ;)

[quote:post_uid0]Good job on finishing off a series! Oh, and kudos to whoever put the orginial Enterprise on the TOS link on the front page.[/quote:post_uid0]

Actually, that's the animated ship -- I put it there as a little nod to the TAS event.

[quote:post_uid0]I'm still wondering about the Angel disclaimers on these. Did I miss something?[/quote:post_uid0]

What [i:post_uid0]Angel[/i:post_uid0] disclaimers?

::: Zeke whistles :::[/color:post_uid0]



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[PointyHairedJedi]

[quote:post_uid0="Zeke"][color=#000000:post_uid0](Add that to the list of things I never thought I'd say to PHJ....)[/color:post_uid0][/quote:post_uid0]
[color=#000000:post_uid0]Oooh, there's a list? :D[/color:post_uid0]

[NAHTMMM]

[color=#000000:post_uid8][quote:post_uid8="PointyHairedJedi"]Presumably the disclaimers'll be fixed soon, now that the forum's been betterfied.

EDIT: Now that's cool - the "Member Number" thing is finally working![/quote:post_uid8]
Hmm. You're #1. Yet Celeste, if I'm not mistaken, registered several hours before you...



( ooo, smilies! :cheesy: )[/color:post_uid8]

[Nan]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Didn't you know? We all spend vast amounts of time thinking and talking about you, Pointy. ;)[/color:post_uid0]

[mudshark]

[quote:post_uid0="Gatac"][color=#000000:post_uid0]"I am Number 2. You are Number 6."
"Who's Number 1? What side are you on?"
"That would be telling."

Gatac[/color:post_uid0][/quote:post_uid0]
[color=#000000:post_uid0]Close. ;)
[quote:post_uid0][quote:post_uid0]I'm still wondering about the Angel disclaimers on these. Did I miss something?[/quote:post_uid0]

What [i:post_uid0]Angel[/i:post_uid0] disclaimers?

::: Zeke whistles :::
[/quote:post_uid0]
*looks again*

Heh. Musta been one a' them .. :think: .. miradjees. Yeh, that's it.

(Ooo, and the regular smilies are back. Plus a couple. Cool.)[/color:post_uid0]

[catalina_marina]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Ooh I like this one. :stupid:

:D[/color:post_uid0]

[Nic Corelli]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Quick reply! Wheeeeee! :D



(sorry, I won`t do it again...)[/color:post_uid0]

[mudshark]

[quote:post_uid0="catalina_marina"][color=#000000:post_uid0]Ooh I like this one. :stupid:

:D[/color:post_uid0][/quote:post_uid0]
[color=#000000:post_uid0]Hey! Watch where you point that thing. :p[/color:post_uid0]

[Nan]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]I like this one --> :devil:

I've seen some nice Evil Grin smilies in my time, too. They have entire smiley galleries at Deviant Art.[/color:post_uid0]

[Michiel]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]I'm having some problems. I tried to change my e-mail adres on my control panel. It still had my hotmail adres, which I haven't used for a year. The board said I was going to get a confirmation mail, but it never got there. Now I can log in, but I can't post, reply or use any of the board-functions anymore.

I suppose the new server can't send e-mails yet, or something. Zeke, can you take a look?

Thanks![/color:post_uid0]

[PointyHairedJedi]

[color=#000000:post_uid0][quote:post_uid0]Some pirates try to press their advantage; Kirk counters with a full-court press strategy. Stop the presses![/quote:post_uid0]

*[i:post_uid0]Blanters Zeke with the Fist of Sunshine and Happiness[/i:post_uid0]*

By the way, are the shoulder-bar things on the sub-sites supposed to be aligned as they are? They used to be halfway down the main title thing, but now they're at the bottom.[/color:post_uid0]

[mudshark]

[quote:post_uid0="PointyHairedJedi"][color=#000000:post_uid0]By the way, are the shoulder-bar things on the sub-sites supposed to be aligned as they are? They used to be halfway down the main title thing, but now they're at the bottom.[/color:post_uid0][/quote:post_uid0]
[color=#000000:post_uid0]Hmm, they look all right from here.

As long as I'm here, something occurred to me while at TBBS: when they get around to making the announcement about 5MV at TT, will there be a new 5MV link added (say, where the J-Team and Jammer's Reviews links are) or will it remain the way it is now? Just wondered.[/color:post_uid0]

[PointyHairedJedi]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]A quick search revealed that TrekToday only had [i:post_uid0]one[/i:post_uid0] mention of 5MV in their archives, which was a mention of its third anniversary last year. I'm sure they'll get round to it soon though.

Yes, that was deliberate.

EDITED to add - the shoulder-bar thing only seems to be wonky in Opera. In IE it's fine.[/color:post_uid0]

[Kira]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]It's always been like that in Opera.[/color:post_uid0]

[Standback]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]A word of gratitude from me as well... so glad to see the site up and running on the new server, and so quickly and smoothly, too! Well done. :D And congrats on the TAS completion - /me is an utter ignoramus in TOS and TAS, but had fun with the batch anyway...[/color:post_uid0]

[Standback]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]:eek:
501 post? [i:post_uid0]moi[/i:post_uid0]?! Egads, time flies...[/color:post_uid0]

[PointyHairedJedi]

[quote:post_uid0="Kira"][color=#000000:post_uid0]It's always been like that in Opera.[/color:post_uid0][/quote:post_uid0]
[color=#000000:post_uid0]Well, I only started using it something like a week ago, so that would be why I didn't know. Is there no way to make it the same?[/color:post_uid0]

[Zeke]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]I've tried everything I can think of, but no dice. Maybe someone like Derek with creepy voodoo HTML powers will know how to do it.[/color:post_uid0]

[Derek]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]The main problem with that is that I don't have Opera to know what it looks like. Unless its also happening in Mozilla in which case someone will need to better describe what we're talking about.

Screenshots, anyone?[/color:post_uid0]

[Zeke]

[color=#000000:post_uid0][quote:post_uid0="Guest"]I'm having some problems. I tried to change my e-mail adres on my control panel. It still had my hotmail adres, which I haven't used for a year. The board said I was going to get a confirmation mail, but it never got there. Now I can log in, but I can't post, reply or use any of the board-functions anymore.

I suppose the new server can't send e-mails yet, or something. Zeke, can you take a look?[/quote:post_uid0]
That may be the problem. I set up the mailserver today, so see if you can get it to send you that confirmation email again. If not, email me at [email protected] and I'll fix your address personally.

[EDIT: Actually, I think I just fixed it now. Give it a try.][/color:post_uid0]



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[Celeste]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Speakin of Email changin. After three years I've changed mine. Actualy took the plunge and bought a domain too. :) I'm now the proud owner of cutetrill.com lol Although I didn't get any website space. I'd never make a website. Got email though. [email protected] Cute, eh? :P

And Zekeybuns, I'll need that changed on the mailin list too. :devil:[/color:post_uid0]

[PointyHairedJedi]

[color=#000000:post_uid0][quote:post_uid0="Derek"]Screenshots, anyone?[/quote:post_uid0]
[img:post_uid0]http://img44.photobucket.com/albums/v136/PointyHairedJedi/op_5mv.jpg[/img:post_uid0][/color:post_uid0]

[Derek]

[color=#000000:post_uid0][quote:post_uid0="PointyHairedJedi"][quote:post_uid0="Kira"]It's always been like that in Opera.[/quote:post_uid0]
Well, I only started using it something like a week ago, so that would be why I didn't know. Is there no way to make it the same?[/quote:post_uid0]
Well, that all depends on who you talk to.

It's funny that the same HTML produces three different results:
<dl><dt>IE</dt><dd>[img:post_uid0]http://dadean.org/~spurk/images/ie-subsite.PNG[/img:post_uid0]
As you can see, it has equal-sized bars in the middle on either side of the image.</dd><dt>Mozilla</dt><dd>[img:post_uid0]http://dadean.org/~spurk/images/mozilla-subsite.PNG[/img:post_uid0]
Mozilla puts the bars in the middle on either side of the main image, but they're of different sizes.

I pointed this out once before, and even investigated and found out that according to the W3C (HTML standards body), this rendering is correct because when you use percentages to scale images you aren't scaling the size of the image with respect to itself or with respect to the space available, but to the [i:post_uid0]remaining[/i:post_uid0] space available.

In the example above, the three images have widths of 17%, 60%, 17%. Opera and IE both take the total width of the page and scale the first image to 17% of that total, the second to 60% of that same total, and the third to 17% of that same total, leaving the first and third of equal size. However, Mozilla scales the first image to 17% of the total space, but the second is scaled to 60% [i:post_uid0]of the remaining 83% left[/i:post_uid0], and the third image is scaled to 17% of the remaining amount left, which comes out to 5.644% of the total space.</dd><dt>Opera</dt><dd>[img:post_uid0]http://dadean.org/~spurk/images/opera-subsite.PNG[/img:post_uid0]
Opera seems to put the bars on the bottom of the main image (but they are the same size). That would suggest that Opera uses a baseline that it renders all images above, while Mozilla and IE, allow images to go below their baselines as well as above it.

A little experimentation proves my theory. If you change the middle image HTML to read:
[code:1:post_uid0]<img style="vertical-align:middle" border=0 align=center src="../images/5mst.png" alt="5MNG" width="60%">[/code:1:post_uid0]
That should fix the alignment problem in Opera.</dd></dl>[/color:post_uid0]

[Gatac]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]I don't usually hate on the W3C, but in that case, Microsoft seems to have the better interpretation. In percentage of *remaining* space? That's not only counterintuitive, it doesn't make too much sense on it's own either. I mean, really, what's the use?

Gatac[/color:post_uid0]

[Derek]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Well, I think it would be nice to have a way to do both. There are times when you want to have your images take up 17% of the screen space so it will scale well regardless of how big or small someone's browser is, but there could come a time when 85% of the screen is already claimed and then the image forces a sideways scroll. And there are other times when you want an image to take up 100% of the remaining space even if it's as much as 50% or as little as 5%.[/color:post_uid0]

[Nan]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]That's why I always make my pages about 750 px wide, unless I plan on using javascript redirectors. ;)

But then, I'm a webdesigner. Crossbrowser incompatibility enrages me. :)[/color:post_uid0]



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[Gatac]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]I haven't used relative coordinates on sites for ages...it's been absolute for me as long as I can recall.

Gatac[/color:post_uid0]

[Michiel]

[quote:post_uid0="Nan"][color=#000000:post_uid0]But then, I'm a webdesigner. Crossbrowser incompatibility enrages me. :)[/color:post_uid0][/quote:post_uid0]
[color=#000000:post_uid0]It's still mostly IE that enrages me, though. So many people use it, so we can't ignore it. But it won't even accept all CSS2 selectors.

That's why standards are good. So us webdesigners won't have to jump through hoops to make websites crossbrowser compatible.

By the way: Zeke, thanks for fixing my account. :)[/color:post_uid0]

[Zeke]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]I switched to relative image sizes the first time I redesigned 5MV, when I was on a real browser-independence kick. I still think that's an important factor, but what became increasingly clear to me over the years is that resized images [i:post_uid0]suck[/i:post_uid0]. The loss in quality is huge. That's why I'm phasing out the relative sizing: the front page now lets the images take their natural sizes, and under the new PHP system I'll be doing the same with our other pages.[/color:post_uid0]

[Nan]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]PHP is your friend. :D

I haven't used tables in a long time, either. I like using container divs--centered by setting right and left margins to auto--with smaller divs inside.

If you make the width of the Jar div around 750-775 pixels, it won't be too big for 800x600 and won't be unreadably tiny on 1024x768.

In a perfect world, CSS could do what JavaScript does. Then I would be mighty indeed. :D[/color:post_uid0]



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[Derek]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]I always use relative measurements when I create pages. I use <code>em</code>s and <code>ex</code>s or percents. That way it scales well regardless of font size or browser size.[/color:post_uid0]

[Nan]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Doesn't work as well with images, though. :/[/color:post_uid0]



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[PointyHairedJedi]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]*[i:post_uid0]Scratches head[/i:post_uid0]*

Yeah, that all made perfect sense...

Anyway, I noticed something you might want to update, Zeke - the about page. The e-mail adressess are still all the @sci-fivers.com.ar ones, and main FAQ is also a bit out of date with regard to that as well.[/color:post_uid0]

[Celeste]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Bah, with all these new and improved avatars. I'm going to have to mess around with mine seeing as how it's so tiny. :p[/color:post_uid0]

[Michiel]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Who needs avatars, anyway? :D[/color:post_uid0]

[Zeke]

[quote:post_uid0="PointyHairedJedi"][color=#000000:post_uid0]Anyway, I noticed something you might want to update, Zeke - the about page. The e-mail adressess are still all the @sci-fivers.com.ar ones, and main FAQ is also a bit out of date with regard to that as well.[/color:post_uid0][/quote:post_uid0]
[color=#000000:post_uid0]Actually, not all the @fiveminute.net addresses are set up yet. When they are, I'll change the links over -- except on the actual fivers, because it'll be much simpler to switch to the new addresses once we're on PHP.[/color:post_uid0]

[PointyHairedJedi]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]I noticed something else (please don't hurt me) - according to the TJI page, it's still 2003. Perhaps it's stuck in some kind of time loop?[/color:post_uid0]

[Standback]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Catalina, I like your new avatar... I assume it's a line of see cats?[/color:post_uid0]

[catalina_marina]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]It is, how did you guess? :D

Actually, I posted that somewhere... Don't quite remember where, though.[/color:post_uid0]

[Nic Corelli]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Ooh, Standback, you`ve got quite a nice new avatar yourself, :D[/color:post_uid0]

[Zeke]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Yes, what ship is that in your avatar, Standback?

PHJ: The TJI section will be brought up to date when I convert it to PHP. There'll be some interesting new features added, too.[/color:post_uid0]

[Derek]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]^ That's Calvin's ship. Or should I say Spaceman Spiff's? I never knew what the ship's name was, but I've always assumed it was called a skiff since it would just be neat to hear it called Spaceman Spiff's skiff.[/color:post_uid0]

[catalina_marina]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]That's a ship? I thought it was a mouse on a skateboard. :lol:[/color:post_uid0]

[Celeste]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]actualy it looks like it's from Lilo and Stitch. :o[/color:post_uid0]

[PointyHairedJedi]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]My first thought was "Supercar!", but that's waay too obscure.[/color:post_uid0]

[Zeke]

[quote:post_uid0="Derek"][color=#000000:post_uid0][code:1:post_uid0]<img style="vertical-align:middle" border=0 align=center src="../images/5mst.png" alt="5MNG" width="60%">[/code:1:post_uid0][/color:post_uid0][/quote:post_uid0]
[color=#000000:post_uid0]I just now noticed this in the sample of code Derek posted. Compare the name of the image with its ALT text.[/color:post_uid0]

[Derek]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Heh. I'm surprised I hadn't caught that either.[/color:post_uid0]

[admiral sab]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Me too! How did I *NOT* catch that!

Could it be because I have no idea what ya'll are talking about? Um, yeah I think so.

Sab[/color:post_uid0]

[Standback]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Oh, dear. I didn't catch the responses to my avatar here the first time around. Are you trying to tell me that my favorite forum lives in [i:post_uid0]ignorance[/i:post_uid0] of the brilliance of Calvin and Hobbes?

That's... so [i:post_uid0]sad[/i:post_uid0]...

::Mopes for several hours. Then perks up and initializes preliminary Forum Reeducation and Illustrated Enlightenment routines.::[/color:post_uid0]

[mudshark]

[quote:post_uid0="Standback"][color=#000000:post_uid0]Oh, dear. I didn't catch the responses to my avatar here the first time around. Are you trying to tell me that my favorite forum lives in [i:post_uid0]ignorance[/i:post_uid0] of the brilliance of Calvin and Hobbes?[/color:post_uid0][/quote:post_uid0]
[color=#000000:post_uid0]I think that putting the 5MV clock behind it may have confused things somewhat. The ship was familiar to me, but a little processing time was required. The more customary "Spaceman Spiff"-type backdrop would have made it obvious, but perhaps you were trying to avoid that?[/color:post_uid0]

[PointyHairedJedi]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Heck, I had no idea Spaceman Spiff had anything to do with C&H. In fact, until very recently, I'd never even heard of it.

I'm going to be forcebly "re-educated" now, aren't I.[/color:post_uid0]

[Standback]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Don't worry, PHJ. It won't hurt. Much. Probably. You'll thank me for it later.

And mudshark, nice try, but you're obviously only trying to avoid Watterson Enlightenment. Don't bother; I've already got the electrodes nice and warm.[/color:post_uid0]

[mudshark]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]^ I am? :confused:

One would think that reading practically every C & H strip there was, from Day One onward, would indicate the opposite.[/color:post_uid0]

[Zeke]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]I too have read all the books over and over. It's just not obvious what ship that is unless you already know.[/color:post_uid0]

[catalina_marina]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]I was just going back to the previous page, when something made its way to my brain.
[quote:post_uid0]Five-Minute Voyager: because Trek is life and long is short[/quote:post_uid0]
What the frell? :O

:lol:[/color:post_uid0]

[Zeke]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Ha! Finally someone caught it! Good eye, Cat.[/color:post_uid0]

[Michiel]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]I like it. :)

By the way, Cat. Is it just me starting to watch Farscape or have you just started regularly using the word 'frell'?[/color:post_uid0]

[catalina_marina]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]*Wonders how long it's been there*

Must be at least a week, judging from the profile. :eyeroll:

EDIT: I might have. I started watching Farscape recently too, see. Or well, recently, I'm currently somewhere around season three. :eyeroll:[/color:post_uid0]

[Michiel]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Me too. I watch about six eps a day. ;)

So how does Zahn get to a new Pah-uh level, anyway? Does she have experience points? And how many lives does Scorpius have? And since when can you capture a god with a vacuum cleaner? Anyway, I like it.[/color:post_uid0]

[admiral sab]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Hey, I caught it, but I thought it was always like that so I didn't say anything. I thought it was some kinda joke. Heh. :lol:

little funny.

Sab[/color:post_uid0]

[catalina_marina]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Damn, it didn't post before my computer hung up on me.

So anyway...

Sab: I'm guessing it is. ;)

[i:post_uid0]Six[/i:post_uid0]? Whoa! :O

I really don't have time to watch six episodes every day, and it's not like I don't have anything else to watch.

I have no idea how she gets her levels, perhaps she does get xp, I don't know.

Whatever you do, don't believe Scorpy is dead. Ever. :eyeroll:

And about the vacuum cleaner, well... He wasn't really a god? They only worshipped him like he was? And if that's not good enough for you, well, every villain needs a weak spot, right? I'm not making any sense, am I? :eyeroll:[/color:post_uid0]

[Standback]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Are you staking your vast knowledge of Calvin and Hobbes against my inferior powers of Cut'n'PAste in Microsoft Paint?

Oh. OK, then.

BTW, just yesterday I came across a commencement address Bill Watterson made... it turns out that this brilliant man, when in college, spent much of his sophomore year [i:post_uid0]recreating "The Creation of Man"[/i:post_uid0] (yes, that's the one from the Sistine Chapel) [i:post_uid0]on the ceiling of his dorm room.[/i:post_uid0]

I deeply admire this man.[/color:post_uid0]