ENT Cancellation Neutral Zone

[Zeke]

When I placed a no-bashing restriction on the main ENT cancellation thread, I knew it wouldn't go over well with everybody. It doesn't sit all that well with me either, but under the circumstances, I feel it's appropriate. Many people at this board, myself included, just found out that their favourite show was cancelled. This is not the time to tell them how wrong they were to like ENT in the first place, or to rub the cancellation in their faces.

However, a forum member has argued that I should at least provide another thread without that restriction, so that everyone can have a say. I see his point. So this thread will be for unrestricted discussion of the news. I'm calling it a "Neutral Zone" by analogy with the debate forum at Trek BBS (the name is a holdover from when that forum was unmoderated).

No matter what you have to say about ENT's cancellation, you can say it here. No one will yell at you for taking one side or the other. Just keep it civil.

[Standback]

Not a bash, but I've only seen seasons 1 and 2, and I must ask - does Travis ever get any lines?

[NeoMatrix]

Only when possessed by aliens, lol

[Derek]

I'm calling it a "Neutral Zone" by analogy with the debate forum at Trek BBS (the name is a holdover from when that forum was unmoderated).
It's moderated now? What's the point?

[Sa'ar Chasm]

I've never made a secret of the fact that I've disliked Enterprise pretty much from the theme song. Sure, everyone insisted that it got better by Season 3.5 or whenever, but by that point it was too late to come back. The only reason I'm familiar with the goings-on in the series is that I read Zeke's fivers (which are always worth reading).

The gratuitous scantily-clad Vaseline rubs irked me the most - yes, Roddenberry was a letch and a womaniser and put as much titillation on the screen as 1966 censors would allow, and Enterprise is proudly following that tradition, but this makes absolutely no logical sense.

However, I'm not going to gloat or do an annoying vindictive victory dance. I'm just going to shrug and go back to watching TNG and early-to-mid DS9 reruns on Space (assuming I wake up early enough).

[KillerGodMan]

However, I'm not going to gloat or do an annoying vindictive victory dance. I'm just going to shrug and go back to watching TNG and early-to-mid DS9 reruns on Space (assuming I wake up early enough).

Wake up early? How early are you talking about? I usually watch 'em at 4pm....

As per topic I'm discussing, ENT is going to be able to go into continuation, as I said before, so Space will probably run it along Voyager, TOS, DS9 and TNG.

Space, wonderful channel, all the Treks, Buffy, and Stargate

[Sa'ar Chasm]

They're broadcast Saturday mornings, although I think now its just TNG and Voyager. They used to have (t)OS, TNG, DS9 and Voyager in a row starting at 10 Eastern...which turned into 7AM Pacific, which was of absolutely no use to me.

At 4PM on weekdays I'm invariably still at the lab pretending to work.

[KillerGodMan]

Ah, I did not know about Trek on Saturday morning, now I have a reason to not go back to bed after walking my dog on Saturday.

Now, for bashing that I have to get out.

It serves ENT right for tring to competing with Stargate!

Now, back to me being upset :cry:

[Chancellor Valium]

Having just watched season 2, I am disappointed - I was just getting to the good bit :lol:
The only complaint I can lodge against the series is that a lot of episodes do seem to be filler - "Vanishing Point", anyone? :wink:
Wait, I found another thing - their seems to be almost no CD. Almost no relationship involvement, and no character clashes except with Soval, who frankly, I want to give a good beating to :wink: :wink:
Looks like the Vulcans got their wish, though , the NX-01 mission is being cancelled :wink:

[NAHTMMM]

Looks like the Vulcans got their wish, though , the NX-01 mission is being cancelled :wink:
Heh, that didn't occur to me ;)

[Ginga]

Well... I never got into Enterprise. Every other Trek I can sit through, but just not Enterprise. I found it boring. The characters felt so bland.

And then when everyone was telling me it was getting great, I tried again to watch it. I don't remember what episode it was, but someone died, and I KNEW he was going to die. It was all so predictable. I just gave up then.

Not only that, but Enteprise practically rewrote the whole history of Star Trek. No. Just... no. I can only begin to wonder if the ending is just going to turn out to be a reset button, that the show will be one whole reset button. I can't even begin to express how much that would 1.) scare me, and 2.) would make me roll off the couch laughing.

Running out of ideas is not a good thing. I think the entirety of Enterprise was an absence of ideas. And now because of it, Trek needs a break. It needs a fresh staff, it needs something new to pull it out of oblivion.

Do I think the cancellation is horrible? In a way. It's an impending series finale, and series finales ALWAYS make me depressed, no matter what series it is. I watched the finale of Frasier after having barely watched it at all, and a tear slipped down my cheek. Because this is a Trek finale, it will be worse for me because of the simple fact that it's Trek. A show in one of my favorite series is ending, and that will most certainly make me sad.

On the other hand, I'm glad the cancellation is happening. In this other view, I don't think the cancellation is horrible at all. If anything, it's a mercy killing. Enterprise just wasn't doing it for me, and not one episode, with the exception of "Singularity", could hold my attention. And apparently it wasn't doing it for more than half the nation.

So I shall now end this long post and leave you to sift through it. I apologize for its length, but I had a lot of things to get off my chest about it that I couldn't bring myself to say in any other threads, because it would've been rude.

And there you have it. Another Trek ends not only on a Friday the 13th, but a day before my birthday as well. It's a shame they couldn't pull it out of its ditch... no. Sorry. It was more of a hellhole, honestly... to go on for 7 seasons.

[KillerGodMan]

You know, I actually agree with Ginga, sure I'm upset about the cancelation, but that's just because it's STAR TREK, the few episodes that worked for me were; E2. Extinction and Zero Hour.

Trek needs a break, it needs to fire Berman it needs fresh ideas, and it needs to fix the continuity it %#$@ed up.

[Opium]

Not only that, but Enteprise practically rewrote the whole history of Star Trek. No. Just... no. I can only begin to wonder if the ending is just going to turn out to be a reset button, that the show will be one whole reset button. I can't even begin to express how much that would 1.) scare me, and 2.) would make me roll off the couch laughing.

Running out of ideas is not a good thing. I think the entirety of Enterprise was an absence of ideas. And now because of it, Trek needs a break. It needs a fresh staff, it needs something new to pull it out of oblivion.



I have to agree on the re-writing of history...and that perhaps this is in the alternate universe or something?

Enterprise had some good stuff, but it wasn't as good as the other Treks at drawing in a wide audience. It was entertaining, kind of on the level of a good prime-time soap. But DS9 had been good drama, and Voyager, classic sci-fi. Enterprise was kind of a hybrid of these, with a dash of Next Gen for the great 'ships and episodes.

It would have been nice for Enterprise to continue, but again with the changing of Trek-verse history. Why?

Hopefully the Trek franchise will take some time developing something really solid, which does not mess with what the fans want, or with what was created before. Unless it was some Section 31 show...

[Ginga]

Hopefully the Trek franchise will take some time developing something really solid, which does not mess with what the fans want, or with what was created before. Unless it was some Section 31 show...

One of the big problems is that I hear Berman is too afraid to take risks. Well, in order for anything to be successful at all, you've got to take SOME risks. Taking a risk in this case can only help Trek, I think. Taking a risk can develop something solid.

Unless it's a re-writing history risk. X_x But when I say risk, I'm talking a REAL risk, as in bringing in something TOTALLY DIFFERENT. I don't know what that might be, but whatever it is, I think it would have to involve story arcs.

Is it bad that I want to see Trek gear itself more toward being a prime-time drama? I mean, if it did that, it might draw in more viewers. We'd also be seeing good story arcs, a cast of really well-developed characters with real emotions, and... I dunno. I'm certainly not saying I want Trek to become more "real", but just... real enough in the sense that it could appeal to more people.

Anyone get what I'm saying here? :P

[Kira]

Is it bad that I want to see Trek gear itself more toward being a prime-time drama? I mean, if it did that, it might draw in more viewers. We'd also be seeing good story arcs, a cast of really well-developed characters with real emotions, and... I dunno.
You'd be seeing the new Battlestar Galactica series. :wink:

[Chancellor Valium]

Talking of BG, didn't anyone feel that automatic spacedock which stole Travis looked a bit BG-ish? :lol:

[PointyHairedJedi]

I must say that I'm somewhat inclined to agree with those that are saying that Trek needs a breather, not so much in the production of the shows as in those that are making them. I'm hardly ENT's biggest fan by a long shot, but it's still a pity to see it go like this.

As far as the networks are concerned, it seems to be that there are fewer and fewer people at those networks (at least , the ones in the positions that matter) willing to take chances. When the latest incarnation of Trek, a staple franchise of sci-fi for a long time now, is axed like this over ratings, how does that bode for new shows? I'm left feeling distinctly jittery about BSG03 - it seems that being good isn't enough to keep a show on the air anymore (Firefly, anyone?).

[Ginga]

it seems that being good isn't enough to keep a show on the air anymore (Firefly, anyone?).

That's because everyone would rather watch:

1. people getting plunged into a barrell of rats,
2. Paris Hilton and her stupid sister f*cking around and doing nothing on whatever craptacular show they have,
3. people fight each other on some island in the middle of nowhere,
4. some nanny come and make sissy kids behave,
5. some idiots do a make over on either a person or a home,
6. and bring reality into something that's meant to be escaping reality.

Niiiiiice going, America.

(Can you tell that reality TV taking over the world bugs me?)

[PointyHairedJedi]

Now, what I really don't like is when people make absurd generalisations like that. Nothing is ever that simple - there is no one party to blame, especially not in something like this.

I'm not getting at you personally, Fuyu, it's just generalisations really bug me, that's all.

[Zeke]

All generalizations?

[NAHTMMM]

"All generalizations are false, including this one." --Eisenhower (I think)

[Opium]

I have to say...Ginga does have a point, even if it a generalization.

I think it is somehow a life-imitating-art, art-imitating-life catch-22 phenomenon.

Back in the day, ie, 1999, viewers were given a taste of so-called reality TV. Some good shows were created- The Mole, The Amazing Race, Survivor. Fun, interesting, shows. People watched them. The networks realized how cheap reality TV is compared to dramas. They produced more reality TV shows; viewers still watched. This continued until today...and now this. Good TV being harder to find. :(

At least there are still some beacons of hope...L&0:SVU and CSI are examples. And don't forget PBS...it has some great stuff. But Enterprise's cancellation is another point in the declining land of TV. Even the original L&O is just a " very good" show now (when it used to be excellent). I think The Simpon's are a good representation of the problem.

Can I suggest that perhaps reality TV has replaced sci-fi in a way as the preferred "guility-pleasure" tv shows the networks produce? And that slowly "reality tv" is replacing other genres too? :?

[Ginga]

Now, what I really don't like is when people make absurd generalisations like that. Nothing is ever that simple - there is no one party to blame, especially not in something like this.

I'm not getting at you personally, Fuyu, it's just generalisations really bug me, that's all.

LOL, is it really a generalization? Too many reality shows are taking the top spots in the ratings, thereby leading me to believe that (not) everyone (but too many people) would rather watch these... these things. :P I am sorry generalizations bug you, I shall generalize less. :D

Opium - Reality TV isn't even a guilty pleasure, at least not around here. Around here reality TV is "cool". *pukes*


And I just thought of something else. How many other programs on UPN do you watch, anyway? How many other programs does anyone else watch?

Maybe UPN has just been shot in the heart. o_O

[Sa'ar Chasm]

Shot to the heart, and you're to blame. You give TV a bad name.

This instafilk has been brought to you by the numbers e, i and pi and the letter dell.

[Kira]

And I just thought of something else. How many other programs on UPN do you watch, anyway?
I don't get a UPN affiliate, but it actually has (in my opinion, as well as that of TWoP and Entertainment Weekly, to name a few) one of the best new shows of the year: Veronica Mars. Naturally, being that VM is well-acted, well-writen, and could teach even Lost a thing or two about pacing a long term mystery arc, it's in danger of being cancelled if it's ratings don't improve over the last half of the season. Further proof UPN is run by monkeys, if you ask me.

[Gatac]

There's actually a few good reality shows...Mythbusters and Monster Garage come to mind, as does the Long Way Round miniseries.

Gatac

[Opium]

There's actually a few good reality shows...Mythbusters and Monster Garage come to mind, as does the Long Way Round miniseries.

Gatac

I guess my reality-show bashing might have given the wrong impression.

There are some good reality shows...Mythbusters is fun, and there was Junkyard Wars. And the Mole 2. And of course all the "house" series's...1900 house, 1940's house, Edwardian House, Pioneer House, that one set in Newfoundland in the 1930's, etc...those were all really good.

Reality TV isn't all bad. There are some shining diamonds in the dirt. But I mean, after The Mole 2 ended, "Celebrity Mole" came, taking a great concept and ruining it with B, C, D, E, and F grade celebs.

Hmm...has this thread already gone off-topic? Let me bring it back on...

I think Enterprise and Voyager were both on the same level...pretty good sci-fi. I still liked DS9 and Next Gen best, although I did go throught a pretty huge Voyager phase for a while. In fact, I think DS9 and Next Gen spoiled Trek a bit...both had, in a way, wider appeal than "just" sci-fi. Voyager and Enterprise both had serious sci-fi roots, and Enterprise had to gain an audience all on its own, with no other Trek series happening when it started. A tough duty for a show lacking Patrick Stewart or Rene Auberjonois (both with non-sci-fi careers) or series faves like Colm Meaney, or sci-fi faves like Princepal Snider...I mean, Armin Shimerman.

So Enterprise really had a tough road ahead. It would have been nice to see it go to 7 seasons...if only to see the plots interplay until they match up with TOS, TNG, DS9 and VOY timelines. And to demand satisfaction with Trip/T'Pol. And see Porthos get help at Cheeseeaters Annonymous.

[PointyHairedJedi]

All generalizations?
Excepting the funny ones, naturally.

It will be fun, I must say, when the networks finally do implode due to the sheer crapulence of the programs they produce.

[KillerGodMan]

Now, what I really don't like is when people make absurd generalisations like that. Nothing is ever that simple - there is no one party to blame, especially not in something like this.

I'm not getting at you personally, Fuyu, it's just generalisations really bug me, that's all.

LOL, is it really a generalization? Too many reality shows are taking the top spots in the ratings, thereby leading me to believe that (not) everyone (but too many people) would rather watch these... these things. :P I am sorry generalizations bug you, I shall generalize less. :D

Opium - Reality TV isn't even a guilty pleasure, at least not around here. Around here reality TV is "cool". *pukes*

Where I live, reality TV is dirt, nobody watches them, few actually watch TV in itself, but nonbody watches reality TV.

Dramas have good characters, good management, well writen stories. This is how CSI got to the top, well written stories, rare-but extremly good stories arcs, leaving something one season, than bringing it back later (like the Blue-Paint killer), well developed characters, with room to continue developing, all played by good actors, and, of course, for those who read the TWoP recaps, The S.S. Geek Love

And, if you don't like CSI and it's two spin-offs, there's House, Lost, Medium, Desperate Housewives, L&O... darnit, that's all the Drama's I can think of....

There's also the Discovery Channel, Space, and other channels with no Reality TV

Reality is far from taking over the TV industry, eventually, they're going to run out of ideas

[Xeroc]

All generalizations?
Excepting the funny ones, naturally.

It will be fun, I must say, when the networks finally do implode due to the sheer crapulence of the programs they produce.
When everyone just watches everything on the internet? :)


Here's my $2.22:

My opinion of Enterprise: :|
My opinion on the Cancellation: :o :(

I really didn't like it that much, but I really didn't want it to be cancelled, especially after it seemed as though each season was better than the last.

My reasons for not liking it very much:
Re-writing history
Ridiculous writing (and sex-over-doing)
Missed Opportunities (I can see so many places where it could have been so much cooler)
Predictable
Nonsensical at times, anticlimatic, and sometimes even boring.

Not to say I didn't like it, I still watched almost all of them, but it just seemed when I missed one, it really wasn't that big of a deal - I never really got into the show and it never really could hold my attention.


(By the way, If you were wondering, I was out of town all weekend)

[Ginga]

(like the Blue-Paint killer)

I love the 2nd episode of those two Blue-Paint killer episodes. And lets not forget Paul Milander!

Oh, wow. Way to veer completely off-topic, me. *smacks self*

[MaverickZer0]

All generalizations?
Excepting the funny ones, naturally.

It will be fun, I must say, when the networks finally do implode due to the sheer crapulence of the programs they produce.

Here here! There there!

If I see one more spinoff with any of the words 'Survivor', 'Mole', 'Race', or any of the like in their names I'm going to...

Do something. Involving magnets. Preferably actually hot-glue gunning the execs to chairs and forcing them to watch their own crummy shows.

[Anonymous]

Cruel and unusual torture at its finest.

[Heiwa]

I mostly agree with what Fuyu Ginga said. Except I can't express any dismay over ENT's cancellation, and I'm glad it really didn't last any longer than it already has.

Like Sa'ar Chasm, I mostly stopped watching in the midst of Season 1 when every episode seemed to turn into a commercial for some kind of body wash, with everyone rubbing all over each other in as little clothing as possible. TNG, DS9, and VOY all had sexual elements, but even they really did not go as far and get as desperate as ENT did.

The whole rewriting of Trek history, ignoring canon, and alienating a huge section of the fan base ... I don't think I'll ever understand who thought this would be a good idea. When a show airs on a network that the entire country doesn't even get, it would seem that you need as many fans as you can get, and can't really afford to tick scores of them off. But that's what B&B did.

I for one, am really glad Trek will be going into hiatus. Hopefully when it comes back, neither B will be at the helm, someone with imagination like Coto or Ron Moore or Rene Echevarria might be involved, and we'll be able to enjoy the next Trek renaissance.

[ijdgaf]

I've been meaning to reply to one of these threads or the other for a while. I'm not picking this one for any reason in particular besides it being the one I'm currently viewing.

Over the course of Enterprise's run, I haven't exactly been the most praising of fans. I watched the first season, and wasn't in love with it. But it had some elements I enjoyed, and I did have to keep reminding myself that I sat through the sixth season of Voyager (which is still, in my mind, the worst overall season of the franchise). The second season of Enterprise I watched as well. Many episodes I wasn't thrilled with. A few I was. Maybe it was just the Trek fan in me that didn't want to stop watching. Maybe I was sifting through for the gems in the mix -- which were definitely present. At the end of season two, the new direction was announced and I was not too thrilled. Yes, the show needed to do something. But I wasn't terribly thrilled with the something that was being offered. Xindi who? We're doing a prequel why? Couldn't we do something with just a *little* more relevance to the franchise this series was a part of?

So, like many fans, I called it quits after the second season finale. I heard its prasies sung, but I stood firm. Eventually through some convincing on Zeke's part, I downloaded the first few episodes. And while yes, it was different, I just couldn't shake the feeling of "why the hell are we doing this plot anyway?" And the writing on the first few episodes hadn't significantly improved, in my estimation.

I waded through downloaded copies of the first half of the season rather slowly, with pauses of many months before I'd watch a few more. Hell, I didn't even find "Twilight" all that impressive, while seemingly everyone else on the planet did. News of cancellation wouldn't have phased me much at that point, I will admit. The season wrapped up, and speculation on the possibility of a season four ramped up. I wasn't terribly interested until I heard about the direction the season was taking. So I was intrigued enough to finally get my ass in gear and watch the rest of season three. The writing in the second half of the season seemed much improved from the first half, and I enjoyed the conclusion more than I expected to. The last ten episodes of the arc were mostly entertaining -- something I couldn't exactly say for any ten straight episodes of any other season of the show. I would say it had been at least a few years since Trek had been that good. But no matter what, I couldn't shake -- and still can't shake the feeling that we really didn't need to waste a season of this show on some until then unknown threat with vague ties to the disappointing temporal cold war. Season three was unnecessary. Yes, it was entertaining, but in the end I can't say it added much to the franchise besides good episodes. No overall significance that I would expect from a prequel show.

Yet by the time I had finished the third season, I was hearing juicier and jucier details from the fourth season. The augments arc was in full swing, and I knew I wanted to be completely caught up before the Vulcan Civil war arc was in place. Could it be? Was this the series I was looking for all along? Hell, I knew "Storm Front" wasn't going to be satisfactory. But I watched it anyway. I had to be caught up for this so called "bold new direction" that had many doubters wrapped up in it. And did I find myself enjoying it?

Absolutely. "Home" was quite enjoyable for me. The augments arc wasn't absolutely groundbreaking, but it was entertaining. Like season three, except grounded in the prequel concept. I was blown away by the Vulcan arc. Seriously, I can't remember being so impressed with Trek in a long time. "Observer Effect" worked very well for me. "Daedalus" didn't work at all, but I can be lenient (my favorite season of the franchise does happen to include "The Alternative Factor" ;)). The arc begun by "Babel One" has been nothing short of brilliant, in my opinion.

For the most part, I was NOT impressed with Enterprise during its first few seasons. Had I been caught up with the third season during the cancellation speculation then, I probably still would not have been terribly phased. Yes there was good writing, but where were they going with it?

But season four is, in my opinion of course, the best Trek has been consistently in a long, long time. Since the original series movies, probably. Speaking of the movies, something just feels... cinematic about this season. It's very fresh, and somewhat surreal.

There are those who will still say Enterprise is no good. There are those who will say Enterprise has always been good. I ask that the former please come back to the series and watch some of the arcs from this season. I had been playing crotchety TOS fan for a while, until I gave this season a chance. And I'm really, really glad I did.

To those who have enjoyed Enterprise all along, I can't argue with you. Everyone has different tastes in programming. Every Trek fan has different opinions on where the franchise should go. I'm not going to tell you that the first two seasons sucked. I wouldn't even if I hated every last episode. That's no way to base an argument, and it pisses me off every time I see it done.

I will say though, that Enterprise was a series that had to succeed, or the franchise was doomed to its recent fate. Ratings had been slipping since TNG went off the air. Voyager had the benefit of being the flagship series of the new United Paramount Network, and could securely count on a seven season run. And during its run, the ratings decline continued. Enterprise needed to be a fresh start. Even the creators knew it -- why else would they set it in a new time period, go such a different direction with the theme song, and remove "Star Trek" from the title? Enterprise had to stop and reverse the ratings decline. Everyone knew it. If it didn't, it would be cancelled.

The thing is, it's very difficult to have a fresh start with the same creative team involved. I'm not going to rant against Berman and Braga, as I have nothing in particular against them. But I do think a fresh start needed a fresh perspective -- their perspective was not fresh, and could never have been. Enterprise's comparisons to Voyager were inevitable, how could they not be? How can one help but make comparisons between The Andromeda Strain and Jurassic Park? How can one not compare "Romeo and Juliet" to "Hamlet"? It isn't an issue of quality. It's an issue of creative perspective. And the Berman perspective of Trek had been around for a decade. You simply don't say "it's time for something new" and not make any changes in the creative department. Berman and Braga are who they are, and they're not going to single handedly reinvent the franchise.

Enterprise promised different, but it just wasn't different enough. So people tuned out. They were tired of the same old stories. And the creative department just wasn't delivering enough "new". By the time Berman and Braga realized change was needed, half the viewers had tuned out already. And season three still wasn't enough of a departure to get in the viewers. Once a show has lost viewers, it's very difficult to get them back. A show gets a lot of promotion at the start, but afterwards it needs quality and appeal to keep viewers coming back for more. And in the estimation of many, that just wasn't there.

It's a damn shame that by the time Enterprise had a fresh creative perspective, the viewership was lost. The show simply couldn't afford to take a couple of seasons to find its feet like the other series had. It had to come out of the gate strong, and how do you argue that it was strong enough when so many viewers feel otherwise?

I am watching these Save Enterprise campaigns with much interest. I would love another season. I really, really do hope they succeed. But there is a reason Enterprise is in this danger in the first place. I sincerely hope Paramount learns from its mistakes when series six comes around.

Whatever happens in series six, one thing is certain. It needs a fresh perspective, and it needs to captivate viewers from the start. It's really the only way Star Trek can come back and stay back.

[Chancellor Valium]

Do something. Involving magnets. Preferably actually hot-glue gunning the execs to chairs and forcing them to watch their own crummy shows.

*Wanders off topic*

You're reminding me of HK-47 from KotOR. You're not going to start calling us humanoids "meatbags" are you? :roll:

[PointyHairedJedi]

IJD, you bastard! You complete and utter bastard! Vulcan civil war? Here I was, completely spoiler-free about the entirity of season four, and you've gone and completely blown it out of the water!

Well, I hope you're happy. :P

[ijdgaf]

Don't worry, the name doesn't give much away. I was expecting something far... different.

[MaverickZer0]

Do something. Involving magnets. Preferably actually hot-glue gunning the execs to chairs and forcing them to watch their own crummy shows.

*Wanders off topic*

You're reminding me of HK-47 from KotOR. You're not going to start calling us humanoids "meatbags" are you? :roll:

I have my own catchphrases exactly. And I have nothing against humanoids. Their blood tastes quite good.

I mean, let's get back on topic!

[Opium]

Do something. Involving magnets. Preferably actually hot-glue gunning the execs to chairs and forcing them to watch their own crummy shows.

You know, last year I was glue gunning something, and I got it on my finger, and burned it, and instinctivly put in my mouth, getting hot glue stuck to my lip. Owwy! It was red and raw for like two days!

But then again...wouldn't making execs watch bad shows be punishment enough?

[Sa'ar Chasm]

I once crushed my finger between a 5000 Gauss magnet and an Argon cylinder.

Hurt like a bugger. Fortunately my credit cards survived intact.

[PointyHairedJedi]

Heck, that's nothing. One time I got hit by a poison blowdart, fell off a cliff and broke both my legs, and survived!

No, hang on a minute, that was Mustafa from Austin Powers. Erm, never mind then.

[Celeste]

If you look at all of the Star Trek series, in Season 4 the shows find their footing. Enterprise was also finding its footing. Hence I completly believe in your opinion, IJD. I'm more upset at the fact that we won't see all these nifty little plots that tie in all the other series. Cause for me the universe of Star Trek is the most interesting.

[MaverickZer0]

Do something. Involving magnets. Preferably actually hot-glue gunning the execs to chairs and forcing them to watch their own crummy shows.

You know, last year I was glue gunning something, and I got it on my finger, and burned it, and instinctivly put in my mouth, getting hot glue stuck to my lip. Owwy! It was red and raw for like two days!

But then again...wouldn't making execs watch bad shows be punishment enough?

Yeah, that's what the glue-guns are for! To stick them to the chairs! Plus, of course, some duct tape to keep their eyes open so they don't miss a single riveting second of Survivor :When will it end?

Plus, this one time, I jumped off my roof. No, seriously. I broke my arm in about three places and had to stay in the hospital for a week. I think I had a concussion too. I don't remember clearly.