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ualleverybody
02-12-2006, 12:18 PM
Will someone plese explain the whole antimatter radiation buisness? I mean, I get that Janeway thinks it's stupid, but why. Is there a reson or is it just for a stupid gag's sake

richardson
02-12-2006, 02:15 PM
Oh, foo.

All it is is normal radiation (Alpha, beta, gamma); just translated over to it's antimatter opposites.

Zeke
02-12-2006, 05:28 PM
That, and antimatter radiation would destroy any matter it came in contact with. It wouldn't make you mutate, it would just kill you.

Sa'ar Chasm
02-12-2006, 06:05 PM
All it is is normal radiation (Alpha, beta, gamma); just translated over to it's antimatter opposites.

Ie:
Alpha = a helium nucleus (two protons and two neutrons), which would become two neutrons and two antiprotons.
Beta = electron, becomes a positron (one wonders why Data's head doesn't explode, but let's not dwell on that).
Gamma = a photon, which isn't matter and so doesn't have an antiparticle.

So basically, alpha and beta antimatter radiation would be made of antimatter, which would be anhiliated before it radiated anywhere, and in the process produce gamma rays, which would be indistinguishable from gamma rays from other sources (more or less).

Keep in mind that my degree is in chemistry and not particle physics, so I may be wrong on some points.

/Mr. Science

Derek
02-12-2006, 06:18 PM
I think we have a new candidate for the rather neglected Jokes and References (http://www.fiveminute.net/about/jokes.html) section.

Zeke
02-12-2006, 06:19 PM
More like an old candidate. Antimatter radiation is covered in the second one down. :)

which would become two neutrons and two antiprotons

The neutrons would become antineutrons, no? (I'm guessing this was a typo.)

Derek
02-12-2006, 06:32 PM
More like an old candidate. Antimatter radiation is covered in the second one down. :)
Hm. So much for that idea. But I was thinking more along the lines of *why* antimatter radiation is impossible.

whoiam
02-12-2006, 06:35 PM
yeah, they would. Of course, the only way to prove they are anti-neutrons is by colliding them with real neutrons and watching the gamma rays it produces. Which means you have to score a direct hit with another atom's nucleus (and it can't be standard hydrogen, either). So, this one might reach you. If you were standing a couple of meters away and there weren't any particularly thick sheets of paper shielding you.

e of pi
02-12-2006, 06:38 PM
I really liked that TJI. Heh.

Zeke
02-12-2006, 07:09 PM
Hm. So much for that idea. But I was thinking more along the lines of *why* antimatter radiation is impossible.

Oh, it's plenty possible, it just wouldn't last long. Anyway, you have a point. I'll add something about that to the existing entry.

(Welcome to the forum, ualleverybody! What's with the name?)

Chancellor Valium
02-12-2006, 07:11 PM
Hm. So much for that idea. But I was thinking more along the lines of *why* antimatter radiation is impossible.

Oh, it's plenty possible, it just wouldn't last long. Anyway, you have a point. I'll add something about that to the existing entry.

(Welcome to the forum, ualleverybody! What's with the name?)

Surely it would in the esrevinU rorriM?

Zeke
02-12-2006, 07:13 PM
Nope. In the esrevinU rorriM, antimatter radiation would be noitadiar rettamitna, which doesn't mean anything.

Sa'ar Chasm
02-12-2006, 08:05 PM
The neutrons would become antineutrons, no?

No such animal. Antimatter is formed by reversing the charge on the particle (electron/positron). Neutrons are neutral, hence no charge, hence no reversal.

In mathematical terms, -0 = 0.

Zeke
02-12-2006, 08:46 PM
WOW did you just put your foot in your mouth. You dare cite math to me? Especially when I'm the one of us who did his homework (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antineutron) before posting?

e of pi
02-12-2006, 08:54 PM
Ouch.

Derek
02-12-2006, 08:59 PM
Would antiquarks be odos?

Xeroc
02-12-2006, 09:16 PM
The neutrons would become antineutrons, no?

No such animal. Antimatter is formed by reversing the charge on the particle (electron/positron). Neutrons are neutral, hence no charge, hence no reversal.

In mathematical terms, -0 = 0.
WOW did you just put your foot in your mouth. You dare cite math to me? Especially when I'm the one of us who did his homework (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antineutron) before posting?
Yeah, Zeke's right on this one, Anitmatter isn't only a reversal of charge, that's just an effect of it. Additionally, the neutron is made of quarks (as Zeke's wikipedia link states) and the Anti-neutron is made of antiquarks, which all have an opposite charge, but since they still add up to zero overall, the antineutron still has 0 overall charge.


Oh, and a :D for Dereks comment, too. :)

danieldoof
02-12-2006, 09:52 PM
Would antiquarks be odos?

mwahahaha :wink:

Sa'ar Chasm
02-12-2006, 11:53 PM
WOW did you just put your foot in your mouth.

...

From the Desk of Sa'ar Chasm

Things to do:
Remove taste of shoe polish from tongue.
Return B.Sc.
Hide in cave for a decade or two.

e of pi
02-13-2006, 01:33 AM
Good ideas.

mudshark
02-13-2006, 01:52 AM
Would antiquarks be odos?
*znerk*

:lol:

ualleverybody
02-13-2006, 10:05 AM
Thanks!!
and my penname is a refrence to lost, you know charlie's band's song "You all everybody"

Chancellor Valium
02-13-2006, 01:39 PM
Would antiquarks be odos?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

e of pi
02-13-2006, 09:46 PM
That was pretty funny.

Chancellor Valium
02-13-2006, 10:41 PM
That was pretty funny.

Bigger understatements were never made.

e of pi
02-13-2006, 11:04 PM
True.

richardson
02-14-2006, 04:30 AM
Oi... Sheesh. Great, now I've got images of little quarks and little odos fighting it out on the sub-quantum level, causing total destruction in my warp core...

It's as bad as my new secret project.

Chancellor Valium
02-14-2006, 02:49 PM
Oi... Sheesh. Great, now I've got images of little quarks and little odos fighting it out on the sub-quantum level, causing total destruction in my warp core...



They are. Blame err...tachyons.

e of pi
02-14-2006, 09:57 PM
Oi... Sheesh. Great, now I've got images of little quarks and little odos fighting it out on the sub-quantum level, causing total destruction in my warp core...

It's as bad as my new secret project.

Oooooh. Why not use that in a core? Anihilation produces energy, right?

richardson
02-15-2006, 12:09 PM
Standard M/AM reaction=good

Quarks and odos fighting it out in there= Warp core breach

nuff said.

e of pi
02-15-2006, 11:41 PM
Hmmm. Good point.