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Derek 04-30-2007 12:35 AM

What's a long good DS game?
I'm going to be going on a business trip to San Francisco soon, which means that I've got a 10-hour flight there and back. Obviously, I'll be looking for ways to kill time on the long flight, and I figure a new DS game would probably hit the spot. So what I'm looking for is a game that you can get at least 20 hours of solid more-or-less continuous entertainment out of. Any of you DS owners out there know of any good ones?

The games I'm currently considering are "Mario & Luigi Partners In Time," "Castlevania Dawn of Sorrow," and "Yoshi's Island DS." Each of those games look like they're rated highly and look like they take a while to play. Obviously they're all kind of different from each other. I've never played any of Castlevania, and I've only played the main Mario games so I'm not sure how much I'm going to like any of those games listed. Any of you DS owners out there played these game and have any comments on them?

Sorry this post isn't funny. The next one will be, I'm just sure of it.

ijdgaf 04-30-2007 01:06 AM

Honestly, I don't own any of those three. But I get the impression you can't go wrong with Castlevania.

From my collection, my recommendation would be Kirby: Canvas Curse. It's a title not many DS owners have played, which is a shame because it was the first really good proof-of-concept for the system. Whole game is controlled with the stylus. And it works, really really well. It's a fairly long adventure, with a surprising amount of challenge to it. Definitely worth looking into.

Nate the Great 04-30-2007 02:18 AM

Well, I've never played any DS games, so I can't speak to the point. I could recommend some GBA games, but that's another request.

Derek 04-30-2007 12:19 PM

Thanks for the reply, IJD. I actually own Canvas Curse, so that wouldn't work for me. Also, I've found that I can only play that for, maybe, an hour at most before I'm ready to switch to another game. Super Mario 64 DS, on the other hand, I was able to play continuously for a very long time.

Nate, I'd be open to a good GBA game if you have one that meets the criteria since the DS will play it. I only have Minish Cap and the Super Mario World GBA games currently.

Nate the Great 04-30-2007 03:12 PM

Yeah, but you didn't ask for GBA games, did you? :)

Well, the sad part is, the only out-and-out GBA games I have are:

Mario Advance 4: SMB3. This is mandatory for anyone with a GBA-compatible. I think we can get agreement on this.
A series of Yu-gi-oh games. You probably aren't interested in those.

The rest of my Gameboy Games were either original (Tetris and Wheel of Fortune) or Pokemon.

ijdgaf 04-30-2007 04:52 PM

How about Metroid Zero Mission? It's a great way to get into the franchise if you're not already.

Also, maybe it would help if you gave a list of the DS games you already own.

Derek 04-30-2007 04:58 PM

Let's see:

Mario Kart DS
Brain Age
Clubhouse Games
Super Mario 64 DS
New Super Mario Bros
Age of Empires
Kirby Canvas Curse
Tetris DS

And the GBA games I have are listed in my previous post.

Nate the Great 04-30-2007 06:09 PM

You don't have Nintendogs yet? :)

That was sarcasm, by the way. I don't think I'd enjoy it either. It's just that I keep reading how big of a deal that game is.

ijdgaf 04-30-2007 06:24 PM

The only long games I have that you don't are Metroid Prime Hunters, Viewtiful Joe Double Trouble, and StarFox Command.

Actually, I had forgotten to mention the latter earlier. StarFox works great on the touchscreen. It's really an underrated title.

Nate the Great 04-30-2007 07:17 PM

Okay, here's something I've been wondering about Viewtiful Joe. What's the difference between Mach Speed and Slow? After all, one is speeding Joe up and the other is slowing everything else down, right? So in the end, isn't it just semantics? A change in the point of reference?

ijdgaf 04-30-2007 08:14 PM

Couldn't tell you. I've barely played any of Viewtiful Joe. On either Cube or DS.

My Fiancee has it though. So I'll get into it eventually.

Burt 04-30-2007 09:16 PM

Funny enough I've been looking for a new DS game. I've been thinking about that Hotel Room 13? Or what ever it was called. It looks good and different and long. It has been said to be a bit like Max Payne....which isn't good in my book, as I hated that game.
Anyone got it?
And on the Nintendo side of things....
-Heatseeker. Anyone played it? Any good?
-Blazing Squadron ...better or worse?
Many thanks!

Zeke 04-30-2007 09:18 PM

Unfortunately, the DS games I've enjoyed the most don't make good introductions to their respective series. Metroid Prime Hunters would be a terrible first Metroid game. Mega Man Battle Network 5 DS is, naturally, fifth in its series. Mega Man ZX would be a good choice -- you wouldn't get as much out of it as we Mega Man diehards do, but it's first in its own series at least. You should also consider Children of Mana, a highly underrated game.

As for GBA games, see my Castlevania comments below; another excellent buy is Final Fantasy: Dawn of Souls. I second IJD's nomination of Metroid Zero Mission (Fusion is great too, but ZM is a better first Metroid game). And the Mega Man Battle Network and Mega Man Zero series are definitely worth getting into, it's just better to play them in order, so grab the earlier games if you can find them.


Originally Posted by ijdgaf (Post 73447)
But I get the impression you can't go wrong with Castlevania.

Very true -- except the one Derek's considering. Dawn of Sorrow is a direct sequel to Aria of Sorrow for GBA, and if you play it first, you spoil a huge plot twist for yourself. It's a great game, but it shouldn't be played before Aria.

My advice for someone who wants to get into Castlevania... well, okay. My advice for someone who wants to get into Castlevania without emulation would be to track down the Castlevania Double Pack for GBA. There were three GBA Castlevania games, all awesome: Circle of the Moon (one of the very first GBA games, and the one that suffered most from the lack of a backlight), Harmony of Dissonance, and Aria of Sorrow. The latter two quickly grew hard to find, so Konami rereleased them last year as a Double Pack. If you can find it, it's the best value you'll ever get for one GBA cart. Circle is an amazing game too, and a good intro to the series (it was mine).

You might also consider the latest entry, Portrait of Ruin. It's a brilliant game. Not ideal as an introduction, but it worked okay for Tarn-Vedra, who got it on my advice. It's incredibly customizable, with the best-executed two-character system I've ever seen, and five extra playable characters to unlock. And Charlotte's adorable.

Hejira 04-30-2007 09:18 PM

Even with a walkthrough telling you every step to take, Phoenix Wright takes days to play. And, it's a damn fine game.

Derek 04-30-2007 10:49 PM


Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 73466)
Metroid Prime Hunters would be a terrible first Metroid game.

I downloaded the demo of it and wasn't really grabbed by it. Visually impressive, yes. But FPS aren't my cup of tea.


Mega Man ZX would be a good choice -- you wouldn't get as much out of it as we Mega Man diehards do, but it's first in its own series at least. You should also consider Children of Mana, a highly underrated game.
Heard good things about CoM, but nothing enough to persuade me.


Very true -- except the one Derek's considering. Dawn of Sorrow is a direct sequel to Aria of Sorrow for GBA, and if you play it first, you spoil a huge plot twist for yourself. It's a great game, but it shouldn't be played before Aria.
I realized I said Dawn of Sorrow when I meant to say Portrait of Ruin. Not that I really have a favorite of the two, but PoR came out more recently so I figured I might go for that one of the two. The whole non-sequel thing you mention also seems to be a vote for PoR.

Actually, Castlevania: PoR is probably going to be my purchase.

Hejira, Pheonix Wright looks like it could be fun (and comments I've seen seem to agree that it is), but I don't think I'm going to go for that now. It's on my wishlist though.

Burt, Hotel Dusk Rm 215 is also on my wishlist, though I've heard a little ambivalence towards it from others. I downloaded the playable demo, and thought it interesting. I could definitely see that killing a lot of time.

MaverickZer0 05-01-2007 08:33 AM

The whole Mana series that I've played has been rather good. I should toss Fire Emblem in there while I'm at it. Just because it's a series doesn't mean the games are really related. They stand alone quite well.

I've heard good things about both ZX and Shooting Star or whatever they're calling the Battle Network spinoff in English. I'd say better things about ZX because my opinion of that series isn't as tainted by the 'but they ended the old old one too soon!' as it is with the other.

Castlevania's another good choice if you somehow haven't played any of those yet. Castlevania as a series is excellent.

Nate the Great 05-02-2007 05:09 AM

I don't suppose I could convince you to get an original Gameboy and Tetris? I've whiled away many a happy hour on that game.

Hejira 05-02-2007 06:10 AM

Tetris DS plz.

ijdgaf 05-02-2007 12:25 PM

Also, uh... there's little-to-no reason anymore to buy an original Game Boy thanks to backwards compatability. Unless you're super fond of pea green monochrome.

Nate the Great 05-02-2007 03:18 PM

Well, besides nostalgia?

I have the original GBA and see no reason to change. I'm actually one of the few who thinks that the SP isn't so hot. No headphone jack, hands too cramped, eats batteries like nobodies business, and on and on. I actually enjoy using an archaic third-party external battery/handgrip that surrounds the entire thing to make it even BIGGER.

Zeke 05-02-2007 05:07 PM

As IJD can attest, I agree with you on that one. The GBA's layout was innovative; the SP was a step backwards from that (although the fold-over was a good idea). The Micro would be the perfect compromise if it could play original GB games. I still adore mine, but it really annoys me that I can't play older games on it. I don't have an SP, so that leaves me no backlit option for those games.

Nate the Great 05-02-2007 05:42 PM

Sad to say, I never really considered backlighting the end-all-and-be-all key criteria for evaluating a system. Stuff like gameplay and battery life had higher priorities. After all, you can always add an external light, but if the ergonomics stink, there really isn't a way to fix that.

PointyHairedJedi 05-02-2007 08:50 PM

They have these things called 'books' now, though they're quite new - they've only been around for the last two-and-a-half-thousand years or so. Still, whenever I take a long trip I make sure to take at least two with me, though evidently I am something of an early adopter of the technology in this regard.

Hejira 05-02-2007 11:18 PM

Hey, you know what the perfect compromise between a book and a game is? *points to 14th post*

I have an SP. One of those old ones that's frontlit. Also, a DS Phat. I intend to get a DS Lite around the time I get Pokémon Diamond and Pearl, because I want to trade 'em with myself and my mum would never let me stick a Pokémon game into her DS.

Well, she probably would after some weaseling, but then I'd be left with no excuse to spend more money for shiny shiny.

ijdgaf 05-02-2007 11:33 PM

PHJ, I've got an English major (specifically a creative writing major). I'm about 3/4 finished writing my first novel. I intend to write many more. You won't find many people these days who read as much, or who lament the declining interest people have in books as often as I do.

That said (and I'm really not aiming this at you), I really get pissed when intelligent people get grumpy about video games and their popularity. I love books. I love movies. I love music. And I love video games. And I feel very strongly that all can exist in the same intellectual sphere without infringing upon eachother's relative importance. It's been long enough that our society has accepted film as an artform and placed the cultural significance of movies at the same level as poems and novels in the past. But video games are a newer art (yes, I said art), and they've yet to fully mature in this respect. Still, it's quite an interesting journey and I'm enjoying the maturation the video game industry is going through. Sooner or later it'll be on the same level and the older folks will be lamenting some newer, hipper upstart. Mark my words.

Until then, any critical belittling of video games, or any assertion or implication that books are inherently superior just strikes me as cultural snobbery.

Ahem. Sorry. Rant over.

Derek 05-03-2007 01:24 AM

And for that matter, I plan to bring along books as well. This flight is the first flight I'm going to be taking since buying a DS, and before that I always brought a few books with me. I don't see why that should change.

Normally on flights I take along books which I've already read and which are easy reads so the constant interruptions and general fatigue I get from long flights don't make the reading a chore. A videogame would also provide a useful distraction without being too taxing. Even outside flying there have been many times when I've found myself too asleep to properly pay attention to a book, but still awake enough to play a videogame. And videogames are normally engrossing enough that I can ignore my sleepiness for awhile. Certainly a useful benefit on a long flight.

By the way, my defense does not mean I didn't enjoy your satire, PHJ.

Nate the Great 05-03-2007 01:44 AM

DS Phat. :)

Burt 05-03-2007 02:39 AM

But we are all clear that the DS rules? I mean it has Two screens for crying out loud! Two Screens! And Sonic and Mario, on the same system! Plus with a wireless network and the right can go online! I was online the other day..... on the toilet!



Where did everyone go?

Nate the Great 05-03-2007 02:53 AM

No, we are not clear, Burt. And you don't want me to explain, because the rest of the forum will mob you if you ask. :)

ijdgaf 05-03-2007 03:08 AM

Nate, you almost had me with the no backwards compatability argument before. It's sorta weak, but it's about the only legitimate gripe I can think of with the system.

The fact that you already own a GBA completely obliterates that complaint. So now... I'm really at a loss.

But whatever. Truthfully, the only real loss is yours.

The DS is the finest Nintendo system in years.

Nate the Great 05-03-2007 04:05 AM

Gasp! Did you just diss the Revolution? ;)

Hejira 05-03-2007 04:10 AM


Having said that, I'm still slightly bitter that the DS doesn't support GB/C games. I'd suggest an add-on that goes into the GBA slot that contains the older processor and whatnot, but why should the Phat get the Lite's overbite?

ijdgaf 05-03-2007 04:16 AM


Originally Posted by Nate the Great (Post 73541)
Gasp! Did you just diss the Revolution? ;)

No. I just dissed the Wii.

Nate the Great 05-03-2007 04:27 AM

I added the winking emoticon specifically to avoid mass panic.

Hejira 05-03-2007 07:03 AM


Originally Posted by ijdgaf (Post 73543)
No. I just dissed the Wii.

And I just wasted my caps lock for nothing. *weep*

Nate the Great 05-03-2007 12:26 PM

There, there. I'm sure you'll get plenty of chances to do other bits of shouting.

Obscure reference! Have at it!

ijdgaf 05-03-2007 12:26 PM

Hey, bottom line is the DS has about a gajillion awesome games worth playing on it. The Wii has threeish. That will certainly change in time, but for now the DS wins simply because it is far more established.

PointyHairedJedi 05-03-2007 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by ijdgaf (Post 73528)
PHJ, I've got an English major (specifically a creative writing major). I'm about 3/4 finished writing my first novel. I intend to write many more.

Won't publishing a book printed entirely on blocks of cedar prove rather expensive?

Nate the Great 05-03-2007 05:48 PM

But does an "amazing" library negate the fact that backwards compatibility was the obvious way to go, and they chose to not go that way?

Could somebody explain the cedar block thing?

PointyHairedJedi 05-03-2007 06:41 PM

Nobody knows why cedar. It just is.

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