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![]() ![]() [/quote ![]() That's been massacred as well. The changes to the first movie I didn't mind so much, since you can't adapt every single line and paragraph to the screen. I don't miss Bombadil at all, and the other changes they made served to speed up to action. It woulda been six hours long if they hadn't made cuts. Even the interminable Arwen/Aragorn love scenes came from the appendix. The *second* movie, however...oy. It seems like PJ is remaking the book in his image. It's one thing to cut things out, another to put things in. I barely recognised that movie. I didn't like that way Gimli was made out to be comic relief. Is there anyone here who hasn't seen The Two Towers but plans to? I don't want to spoil anything.[/color ![]()
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...Stargate (as in the movie. I wouldn't have fived all those episodes if I hated them...okay, Urgo was the exception to the rule) was incredibly, incredibly boring. I'll try watching it again sometime, but the extent of its boringness finally hit me when I read about it on the 'net and my reaction was: "It had a SPACESHIP?" Maybe now that I've grown to like Star Trek 5, I'll be able to handle it.[/color:post_uid0]
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