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![]() ![]() So you're saying that's where time stops? That sounds reasonable, in a matter of logic anyway. It makes me wonder, how did time start?[/color ![]()
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![]() ![]() [quote ![]() ![]() This is why time travel movies/episodes are full of paradoxes. If they couldn't do anything that would cause a paradox, there would be no good movie/episode. However, has anyone read Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban? In that book, Harry and Hermiony's time travel has only one paradox. A predestination paradox, because Harry saves his past self's life. Other than that, the story is sound.[/color ![]()
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![]() ![]() ![]() That's not a paradox, is it? :S Obviously, Harry saved his other self's life all along. Otherwise, he wouldn't have lived long enough to go back and save himself. So (tracing the timeline of events) Harry's life is threatened, but then his older self comes along and saves him, then he grows older and eventually goes back in time to save himself.[/color ![]()
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![]() Another predestination paradox, according to 7of9, is the movie "First Contact". The borg disrupt first contact on earth, which leads the starship Enterprise (with Picard) to help Cograine with his warp-flight. So, the federation thanks its existance to the borg. There's also a joke about predestination paradoxes made by doctor Bashir in Trials and Tribble-ulations. ![]() ![]()
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![]() ![]() ![]() Correction, this is called the 'Pogo-paradox', the causality loop in which interference to prevent an event actually triggers the same event. I just assumed it was a predestination paradox.[/color ![]()
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![]() ![]() ![]() No, he shouldn't have. I can't explain very confidently, because I don't know whether his younger self was aware of the time travel involved or even knew he was in danger, but it's no more paradoxical than if one non-time-travelling person were to warn another ordinary person away from a rickety bridge that would have plunged into a ravine had anybody stepped onto it. And then there's always non-causal physics... :O :crying: :dead: Â Â Â Â Â ![]() ![]()
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![]() ![]() ![]() I'm not exactly sure what you mean, but I think the same could have happened with Harry Potter. Or maybe not the same. What if he was originally saved by someone else, but, because he travelled back, somehow he wasn't, so he had to do it himself. He would have disrupted the timeline, by actually getting his younger self killed, but he corrected it, by saving himself, so that it all works out anyway.[/color ![]()
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![]() [quote ![]() Harry wakes up in the hospital wing. Snape has handed over Sirius and the Dementors will be going for him. Harry and Hermione insist heÂ’s innocent but Snape has them all convinced apart from Dumbledore. He has a word with Harry and Hermione in private and tells Hermione that 3 turns should do it so that 2 lives will be saved that night. Hermione knows what he is on about, all year she has been using a time turner to travel back in time so she can do all of her lessons. They travel back in time and first save Buckbeak from execution. They hide him and wait until Sirius is locked in the tower. Harry though has to see if it was his dad who rescued him, it wasn't it was his future self. They save Sirius from the tower and he flies off with Buckbeak. They manage to get back to the hospital wing just in time for Dumbledore to lock them in. Snape is furious that Black has escaped and blames Harry but he's been locked up all the time.[/quote ![]() Hm.. I guess this is still hard to understand without having read the entire book... The fact is, the dementors would have killed him if his future self didn't summon a patronus to stop them. ![]() I'm going to buy Harry Potter 5, by the way. ![]() ![]()
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![]() Sirius? So that's where that name came from... (In my d&d group there's character named Sirius)[/color ![]()
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![]() And my sister's copy of HP5 is already on the way. She's promised to let me read it at some point. And I still think all of the above paradoxes would be coved by the [i ![]() ![]() ![]()
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