April 24

[PointyHairedJedi]

[color=#000000ost_uid0]A quick search revealed that TrekToday only had [iost_uid0]one[/iost_uid0] mention of 5MV in their archives, which was a mention of its third anniversary last year. I'm sure they'll get round to it soon though.

Yes, that was deliberate.

EDITED to add - the shoulder-bar thing only seems to be wonky in Opera. In IE it's fine.[/colorost_uid0]

[Kira]

[color=#000000ost_uid0]It's always been like that in Opera.[/colorost_uid0]

[Standback]

[color=#000000ost_uid0]A word of gratitude from me as well... so glad to see the site up and running on the new server, and so quickly and smoothly, too! Well done. And congrats on the TAS completion - /me is an utter ignoramus in TOS and TAS, but had fun with the batch anyway...[/colorost_uid0]

[Standback]

[color=#000000ost_uid0]
501 post? [iost_uid0]moi[/iost_uid0]?! Egads, time flies...[/colorost_uid0]

[PointyHairedJedi]

[quoteost_uid0="Kira"][color=#000000ost_uid0]It's always been like that in Opera.[/colorost_uid0][/quoteost_uid0]
[color=#000000ost_uid0]Well, I only started using it something like a week ago, so that would be why I didn't know. Is there no way to make it the same?[/colorost_uid0]

[Zeke]

[color=#000000ost_uid0]I've tried everything I can think of, but no dice. Maybe someone like Derek with creepy voodoo HTML powers will know how to do it.[/colorost_uid0]

[Derek]

[color=#000000ost_uid0]The main problem with that is that I don't have Opera to know what it looks like. Unless its also happening in Mozilla in which case someone will need to better describe what we're talking about.

Screenshots, anyone?[/colorost_uid0]

[Zeke]

[color=#000000ost_uid0][quoteost_uid0="Guest"]I'm having some problems. I tried to change my e-mail adres on my control panel. It still had my hotmail adres, which I haven't used for a year. The board said I was going to get a confirmation mail, but it never got there. Now I can log in, but I can't post, reply or use any of the board-functions anymore.

I suppose the new server can't send e-mails yet, or something. Zeke, can you take a look?[/quoteost_uid0]
That may be the problem. I set up the mailserver today, so see if you can get it to send you that confirmation email again. If not, email me at zeke@sci-fivers.com.ar and I'll fix your address personally.

[EDIT: Actually, I think I just fixed it now. Give it a try.][/colorost_uid0]



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[Celeste]

[color=#000000ost_uid0]Speakin of Email changin. After three years I've changed mine. Actualy took the plunge and bought a domain too. I'm now the proud owner of cutetrill.com lol Although I didn't get any website space. I'd never make a website. Got email though. Spots@cutetrill.com Cute, eh? :P

And Zekeybuns, I'll need that changed on the mailin list too. :devil:[/colorost_uid0]

[PointyHairedJedi]

[color=#000000ost_uid0][quoteost_uid0="Derek"]Screenshots, anyone?[/quoteost_uid0]
[imgost_uid0]http://img44.photobucket.com/albums/v136/PointyHairedJedi/op_5mv.jpg[/imgost_uid0][/colorost_uid0]

[Derek]

[color=#000000ost_uid0][quoteost_uid0="PointyHairedJedi"][quoteost_uid0="Kira"]It's always been like that in Opera.[/quoteost_uid0]
Well, I only started using it something like a week ago, so that would be why I didn't know. Is there no way to make it the same?[/quoteost_uid0]
Well, that all depends on who you talk to.

It's funny that the same HTML produces three different results:

IE

[imgost_uid0]http://dadean.org/~spurk/images/ie-subsite.PNG[/imgost_uid0]
As you can see, it has equal-sized bars in the middle on either side of the image.

Mozilla

[imgost_uid0]http://dadean.org/~spurk/images/mozilla-subsite.PNG[/imgost_uid0]
Mozilla puts the bars in the middle on either side of the main image, but they're of different sizes.

I pointed this out once before, and even investigated and found out that according to the W3C (HTML standards body), this rendering is correct because when you use percentages to scale images you aren't scaling the size of the image with respect to itself or with respect to the space available, but to the [iost_uid0]remaining[/iost_uid0] space available.

In the example above, the three images have widths of 17%, 60%, 17%. Opera and IE both take the total width of the page and scale the first image to 17% of that total, the second to 60% of that same total, and the third to 17% of that same total, leaving the first and third of equal size. However, Mozilla scales the first image to 17% of the total space, but the second is scaled to 60% [iost_uid0]of the remaining 83% left[/iost_uid0], and the third image is scaled to 17% of the remaining amount left, which comes out to 5.644% of the total space.

Opera

[imgost_uid0]http://dadean.org/~spurk/images/opera-subsite.PNG[/imgost_uid0]
Opera seems to put the bars on the bottom of the main image (but they are the same size). That would suggest that Opera uses a baseline that it renders all images above, while Mozilla and IE, allow images to go below their baselines as well as above it.

A little experimentation proves my theory. If you change the middle image HTML to read:
[code:1ost_uid0][/code:1ost_uid0]
That should fix the alignment problem in Opera.

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[Gatac]

[color=#000000ost_uid0]I don't usually hate on the W3C, but in that case, Microsoft seems to have the better interpretation. In percentage of *remaining* space? That's not only counterintuitive, it doesn't make too much sense on it's own either. I mean, really, what's the use?

Gatac[/colorost_uid0]

[Derek]

[color=#000000ost_uid0]Well, I think it would be nice to have a way to do both. There are times when you want to have your images take up 17% of the screen space so it will scale well regardless of how big or small someone's browser is, but there could come a time when 85% of the screen is already claimed and then the image forces a sideways scroll. And there are other times when you want an image to take up 100% of the remaining space even if it's as much as 50% or as little as 5%.[/colorost_uid0]

[Nan]

[color=#000000ost_uid0]That's why I always make my pages about 750 px wide, unless I plan on using javascript redirectors.

But then, I'm a webdesigner. Crossbrowser incompatibility enrages me. [/colorost_uid0]



Edited By Nan on 1083265326

[Gatac]

[color=#000000ost_uid0]I haven't used relative coordinates on sites for ages...it's been absolute for me as long as I can recall.

Gatac[/colorost_uid0]

[Michiel]

[quoteost_uid0="Nan"][color=#000000ost_uid0]But then, I'm a webdesigner. Crossbrowser incompatibility enrages me. [/colorost_uid0][/quoteost_uid0]
[color=#000000ost_uid0]It's still mostly IE that enrages me, though. So many people use it, so we can't ignore it. But it won't even accept all CSS2 selectors.

That's why standards are good. So us webdesigners won't have to jump through hoops to make websites crossbrowser compatible.

By the way: Zeke, thanks for fixing my account. [/colorost_uid0]

[Zeke]

[color=#000000ost_uid0]I switched to relative image sizes the first time I redesigned 5MV, when I was on a real browser-independence kick. I still think that's an important factor, but what became increasingly clear to me over the years is that resized images [iost_uid0]suck[/iost_uid0]. The loss in quality is huge. That's why I'm phasing out the relative sizing: the front page now lets the images take their natural sizes, and under the new PHP system I'll be doing the same with our other pages.[/colorost_uid0]

[Nan]

[color=#000000ost_uid0]PHP is your friend.

I haven't used tables in a long time, either. I like using container divs--centered by setting right and left margins to auto--with smaller divs inside.

If you make the width of the Jar div around 750-775 pixels, it won't be too big for 800x600 and won't be unreadably tiny on 1024x768.

In a perfect world, CSS could do what JavaScript does. Then I would be mighty indeed. [/colorost_uid0]



Edited By Nan on 1083276929

[Derek]

[color=#000000ost_uid0]I always use relative measurements when I create pages. I use ems and exs or percents. That way it scales well regardless of font size or browser size.[/colorost_uid0]

[Nan]

[color=#000000ost_uid0]Doesn't work as well with images, though. :/[/colorost_uid0]



Edited By Nan on 1083300994