ENT -- Last bunch of EPs [SPOILERS] - The schedule was posted on Trek Today

[FatMatDuhRat]

[color=#000000:post_uid0][b:post_uid0]http://www.trektoday.com/news/120303_02.shtml[/b:post_uid0]

From [b:post_uid0]APR[/b:post_uid0] until the end of [b:post_uid0]MAY,[/b:post_uid0] all of the [b:post_uid0]ENT[/b:post_uid0] episodes
are listed on that webpage. Nothing is 100% definite
though, so something may change btwn. then and now.
:eyeroll:
[b:post_uid0]First Flight[/b:post_uid0] looks good, as well as the final EP and the
one which is suppossed to feature the Borg, [b:post_uid0]Regeneration.[/b:post_uid0]
:D
I'm definitely going to check out the rerun that's on next
WED, it's an EP that I missed and I'm still kicking myself
over it since it focused on my favorite character as the
main element of the story.
:bigsmile:

[Edited by [b:post_uid0]Zeke[/b:post_uid0] to add a spoiler warning in the title... just a few minutes too late. Sorry, Kira.][/color:post_uid0]

[Derek]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]I agree with looking forward to First Flight and Regeneration, Mat. I'm also having high hopes for Judgment. I haven't heard anything about the season finale yet though....[/color:post_uid0]

[Kira]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]::: sticks fingers in ears ::: LALALALA, I can't hear you....[/color:post_uid0]

[Zeke]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]This is a pleasant surprise -- I was expecting this forum to be overtly hostile to the very idea of Borg on [i:post_uid0]Enterprise[/i:post_uid0], no matter how it's handled. That's the response I've seen elsewhere. (When the news first broke, a guy I barely know included me on a panicked mass-email screaming with horror about the concept... without regard to whether the recipients were, say, trying to stay unspoiled.)

Don't get me wrong. I'm very, very leery of ENT trying to use the Borg. We're not talking about Nausicaans or even Ferengi -- the line the writers are walking this time is razor-sharp. But a number of things give me confidence that this will work out well. One is the writing team for this episode: Sussman and Strong, whose past work this season includes "Dead Stop" and "Future Tense." (Not to mention that they made their break with a little [i:post_uid0]Voyager[/i:post_uid0] story called "Unimatrix Zero.") Another is this series' track record with continuity @$$-covering (see also "Acquisition"). Finally, [i:post_uid0]First Contact[/i:post_uid0] and "Dark Frontier" have already muddied the timeline enough to give ENT room to maneuver; we know that one result of the [i:post_uid0]Enterprise[/i:post_uid0]-E's trip to the past was that rumours about the Borg reached the Federation sooner than they otherwise would have. It's not unreasonable that events in ENT's time could have contributed to those rumours.

So I'm looking forward to it... with some fear, certainly, but not with fear and loathing. :smile:[/color:post_uid0]

[Derek]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Yeah, when the forums were down here, I was forced back to TrekBBS and of course when the Borg announcement came down, everyone started screaming their heads off.

I too am wary of this episode. I agree that the FC angle is the correct angle to come from. Time stream pollution begets time stream pollution. It's definitely better than just having the Borg randomly drop out of warp/transwarp. And I also agree with your comment that Enterprise has been careful about continuity so far, [b:post_uid0]Zeke[/b:post_uid0], so I'm willing to give Regeneration a chance. Then again, I prefer taking a wait-and-see attitude on any ENT ep that hasn't been aired yet, unlike most TrekBBSers.[/color:post_uid0]

[Celeste]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Yeah, I got spoiled unwantingly too, Kira. Not here though. Someone else in my sim group just pasted the whole borg synopsis in my channel. ::facepalms:: I wanted to kill him.[/color:post_uid0]

[FatMatDuhRat]

[color=#000000:post_uid0][b:post_uid0]*runs and hides behind a thick concrete wall*[/b:post_uid0]
Please don't shoot the messenger! I'll remember
to put the word [b:post_uid0]SPOILERS[/b:post_uid0] in the title from now on.
[b:post_uid0]*crosses heart*[/b:post_uid0]
:dead: :suspicious:[/color:post_uid0]

[Zeke]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Yes, you will. In fact, you'll put "spoilers" if you're even THINKING about spoilers as you type the post.

Hey! You just thought about another one, didn't you? Type "spoilers"! Type it now! NOW![/color:post_uid0]

[NAHTMMM]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Go Zeke! :)



By the way, do we need to type "spoilers" if we're just reading the posts and we happen to think of the thingies that go on the backs of cars? (Just for the record, yes, I thought of both kinds of spoilers while writing this.)

:Wanders off to figure out how he missed seeing Derek at TBBS when this board was down:


(Edit) Ah, yes, Derek. That would explain it. ;)

:nips over to adjust his buddy list accordingly:


(Re-Edit) Spoilers Whited Out: Incidentally, I also think that [color=white:post_uid0]having the Borg on ENT is lame. Do something with the Tellurites, the Andorians (well do *more* with 'em! ), the Alpha Centauri people, others! Introduce another new race. Surely they can be more inventive than this. This smacks of "write the story and then bend its struts and remove a few pieces to make it fit into the background", when they should be writing like "Okay, here's our characters we have so far, here's the background plot, here's all this other stuff, NOW let's get cracking and think of some good plotlines that work within these parameters".[/color:post_uid0][/color:post_uid0]

[Derek]

[quote:post_uid0="NAHTMMM"][color=#000000:post_uid0]:Wanders off to figure out how he missed seeing Derek at TBBS when this board was down:[/color:post_uid0][/quote:post_uid0]
[color=#000000:post_uid0]I saw you, NAHTMMM. You probably missed me because I go by [b:post_uid0]Spurk[/b:post_uid0] on those boards....[/color:post_uid0]

[PointyHairedJedi]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Well, I did have a good rant on the Sev boards so I won't bother here. Frankly though they've screwed up the continuity that much already I'm now more or less considering it as a seperazte series alltogether, or possibly a one set in the early days of the alternate 'dark' Trek universe (which to my mind makes all kinds of sense, and would be kinda neat too). The [i:post_uid0]only[/i:post_uid0] other option (ie being actually set in the normal Trek universe) would involve some major mucking about with time which frankly knowing B&B wouldn't be at all out of the question.[/color:post_uid0]

[Zeke]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]People have been saying that a lot; what frustrates me is that I have yet to see them name a genuine discontinuity in [i:post_uid0]Enterprise[/i:post_uid0] that's above the level of nitpicking. Yes, the ice is thin, but there's been every indication the writing staff are aware of that and taking it into account. There's a big difference between bending the rules a bit and just not caring.[/color:post_uid0]

[FatMatDuhRat]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]The [b:post_uid0]Tellarites[/b:post_uid0] or the [b:post_uid0]Orions[/b:post_uid0] would be an
excellent alien species to see on ENT. But
since TPTB want to do this Borg EP, we
might as well sit back and watch the fire-
works as the pop & fizzle in the the sky.
:O
I'm looking forward to seeing a few dumb
hew-mons get assimilated, and maybe one
of the ENT crew will get killed too. Who
knows? There're plenty of red-shirts on
board that ship who've been incredibly
lucky so far for almost two years.
:eyeroll:[/color:post_uid0]

[PointyHairedJedi]

[color=#000000:post_uid0][quote:post_uid0]People have been saying that a lot; what frustrates me is that I have yet to see them name a genuine discontinuity in Enterprise that's above the level of nitpicking.[/quote:post_uid0]

Ahem - I think you're forgetting the tiny inconsequential detail of the Klingon-Federaton war that arose directly from first contact between them. [i:post_uid0]Enterprise[/i:post_uid0] has screwed this up royaly.

It could be that the writers plan to have Captain 'Weenie' Archer used as a punchbag by every major species that we see later on, in whih case we still have some way to go.[/color:post_uid0]

[Zeke]

[quote:post_uid0="PointyHairedJedi"][color=#000000:post_uid0]Ahem - I think you're forgetting the tiny inconsequential detail of the Klingon-Federation war that arose directly from first contact between them. [i:post_uid0]Enterprise[/i:post_uid0] has screwed this up royally.[/color:post_uid0][/quote:post_uid0]
[color=#000000:post_uid0]You're right -- they did slip up on that. And yes, it should have been avoided. Our only difference is degree: I don't think it was all that bad as discontinuities go. (After all, what it contradicted was a relatively unimportant Picard line.)[/color:post_uid0]

[PointyHairedJedi]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]*coughcough[i:post_uid0]Enterprise-C[/i:post_uid0]cough*[/color:post_uid0]

[Zeke]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]What about it?[/color:post_uid0]

[PointyHairedJedi]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]I'm just making the point that the war had more effect than just "a relatively unimportant Picard line", including the various episodes connected with the [i:post_uid0]Enterprise-C[/i:post_uid0].[/color:post_uid0]

[Zeke]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]The [i:post_uid0]war[/i:post_uid0] did, and that continuity hasn't been changed -- the only difference is that the first contact incident itself wasn't what sparked hostilities.[/color:post_uid0]

[PointyHairedJedi]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Well, we haven't seen anything to suggest it in [i:post_uid0]Enterprise[/i:post_uid0] so far, and frankly Archers' 'bucket of suckitude' wouldn't last five minutes against a Klingon cruiser (or even one of those scout ships we saw).[/color:post_uid0]

[Things Are Good]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]"bucket of suckitude"-It's funny 'cause it's true.[/color:post_uid0]

[Zeke]

[quote:post_uid0="PointyHairedJedi"][color=#000000:post_uid0]Well, we haven't seen anything to suggest it in [i:post_uid0]Enterprise[/i:post_uid0] so far[/color:post_uid0][/quote:post_uid0]
[color=#000000:post_uid0]Not counting the fact that the Klingons have been overtly hostile every time we've seen them?

([i:post_uid0]Dinghy.[/i:post_uid0] It's a [i:post_uid0]dinghy[/i:post_uid0] of suckitude.)[/color:post_uid0]

[Anonymous]

[color=#000000:post_uid0][quote:post_uid0="Things Are Good"]"bucket of suckitude"-It's funny 'cause it's true.[/quote:post_uid0]
::glare:: Laugh all you want now - just wait until I collect a few more boxtops, then I'm going to send all 350 of them in and get so much neat stuff, it'll make your head spin. Screen upgrades, and torpedoes, and better transporters, and formal stationery, and even a copy of "T'Bak's Greatest Hits". (Hoshi hates her music, so I can just pop in the tape whenever I want her to leave the bridge so me and the other guys can discuss manly stuff.) We'll be upgraded to a "Bucket of Supreme Coolness"! We'll see who laughs then!

Or actually, I might get one of those official World Water Polo Association regulation size balls instead. Those are really cool. I haven't decided yet.[/color:post_uid0]

[Derek]

[color=#000000:post_uid0][quote:post_uid0="PointyHairedJedi"]I'm just making the point that the war had more effect than just "a relatively unimportant Picard line", including the various episodes connected with the [i:post_uid0]Enterprise-C[/i:post_uid0].[/quote:post_uid0]
Actually, we should go back to the first appearance of the Klingons, which is TOS's "Errand of Mercy". In it we hear that relations with the Klingons were "breaking down", suggesting that they had some sort of peace or something. Based on that my understand of canon (excluding ENT for now) is:

Bad FC with Klingons, results in war
Fragile peace is reached at some point.
In "Errand of Mercy" (TOS) peace breaks down and species are hostile to each other.
In "The Enterprise Incident" (TOS) we learn that the Romulans and Klingons seem to be pals.
Romulans and Klingons obviously break up at some point.
Klingons and Federation bring some of their hostilities to an end in ST6 leading to some sort of understanding.
Presumably the Federation and Klingons become allies at some point after the ENT-C incident.
The treaty is dissolved during DS9's run, and later renewed also during its run.[/color:post_uid0]

[PointyHairedJedi]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Eureka! I've got it!

The Klingons must end up destroying the '[i:post_uid0]dinghy[/i:post_uid0] of suckitude', and at the same time all Starfleet records of the [i:post_uid0]Enterprise[/i:post_uid0] and it's crew are completely erased in a freak accident that happened as a result of somebody trying to upload an ancient piece of software (which had mysterious markings on it which were later translated as 'Windows 98' ). And of course the Vulcan Science Directorate then conclude that the existence of such a ship was impossible anyway and dismiss the whole thing as a myth. That would get around just about every continuity violation that we've seen so far (and the ones they've yet to come up with).

In all probability we'll just see more of the 'temporal cold war' dren that they've been pedalling so far.

Edit: I've just seen that 'Archer' post, and I have only one word in reply - weenie.[/color:post_uid0]

[Zeke]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]I wonder if anyone here can guess who "Captain Archer"'s secret identity is. I know, but I ain't talkin'.[/color:post_uid0]

[Celeste]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Tricky. It's *not* ThingsAreGood, unless he's being weird and quoting his own post. ;) I don't think it's NAH either. Too much good grammer/punctuation. No offence, of course. hehe. I'd say Saxamaphone if he was around more.[/color:post_uid0]

[FatMatDuhRat]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]It's not me, I was at work all day. Even though
I did post a few times, it wasn't in this Thread.[/color:post_uid0]

[NAHTMMM]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Ooo, this is like that lounge contest over at TrekBBS, huh? Except nobody dies.

I'm inclined to say it's Zuke (since Zeke was intrigued by the idea of his return). Or, maybe it's whoever's messing with the server right now? :S Because it's taking a long time just to go back a page or two. I mean, as in using the Back button to return to a page that was fully loaded previously. And only just now am I seeing a few smilies for use (5 to be exact--wait, there's a few more. Good thing I can just type them in. :))

(Edit) Upon further review, I don't think it was the real Captain Archer. Too...er...literate, some word like that. That trait seems to imply more strongly that it was Porthos. ;) But I don't think Porthos cares for water polo all that much, does <s>he</s> <s>she</s> erm, Porthos? Cheese is more Porthos's style. So it probably wasn't Porthos either. And definitely not the...[color=gray:post_uid0]CJP[/color:post_uid0].[/color:post_uid0]

[Nan]

[quote:post_uid0="Zeke"][color=#000000:post_uid0]([i:post_uid0]Dinghy.[/i:post_uid0] It's a [i:post_uid0]dinghy[/i:post_uid0] of suckitude.)[/color:post_uid0][/quote:post_uid0]
[color=#000000:post_uid0]*falls off her chair and rolls on the ground, laughing loudly*

Oh my. That was about as funny as Mark telling me his team's robotic minsub was beer-powered. *sniggersnigger*



~Nan[/color:post_uid0]

[Michiel]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Heh, somehow I always knew they were gonna bring the borg into this. :) There are a lot of ways Star Trek could keep continuity. It is the temporal cold war, after all. Just let the time-travel police from some century prevent the borg from ever meeting the Enterprise crew. Or some other time-travel thing.

I wouldn't be surprised if the writers are gonna use the Q too. He is the one that introduced the borg to the federation after all. And he has the ability to make everyone forget if he wants to. :D[/color:post_uid0]

[NAHTMMM]

[color=#000000:post_uid0]What will [i:post_uid0]Enterprise[/i:post_uid0] do in the future to boost ratings? Three words:
[SPOILER FOLLOWS! DO NOT HIGHLIGHT UNLESS YOU ARE WILLING TO FACE THE STUNNING TRUTH ABOUT THE FUTURE! :O]
[color=#CCCCCC:post_uid0]Mayweather's. Pet. Tribbles.[/color:post_uid0] 'Nuff said.[/color:post_uid0]

[NeoMatrix]

[quote:post_uid0="Zeke"][color=#000000:post_uid0]Yes, you will. In fact, you'll put "spoilers" if you're even THINKING about spoilers as you type the post.

Hey! You just thought about another one, didn't you? Type "spoilers"! Type it now! NOW![/color:post_uid0][/quote:post_uid0]
[color=#000000:post_uid0]All your spoiler are belong to us[/color:post_uid0]