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No not the band. Everyone's favourite Doctor (If he's not your favourite, then you may be on the wrong website) is back!
Series three is here. Just wondering who has seen it so far? Do you guys over the pond get it yet?
*Spoilers!*
(Sort of)
What did you think of episode 1? I kinda liked it...but was kinda put off by the acting of Martha....I supposed she'll grow into the role. I did like the fact that this 'gap' (Between the last episode and the this one) means the doctor could now go off and have other adventures. I mean, the each Doctor is supposed to be a few hundred years old... yet this one has been on screen since his start with no alone time... But now...for all we know years could have passed since the last episde.
Episode 2.... I thought is was a little dull.... but thats just me...
Episode 3.... I though was great!! Nice idea...slightly realistic (Anyone who's ever been on the M25 will know what I mean. 25 years stuck in a traffic jam? Pffft! They've never been into London in the daytime then.) Plus nice new plot secrets! (Even if they have been all over the net for ages!)
Looking forward to the next one too!
What does everyone else think?
Nate the Great
04-17-2007, 10:45 PM
As long as the thread is relatively fresh, could someone explain this whole "every Doctor is a different aspect of the same person" thing to me?
mudshark
04-18-2007, 03:20 AM
No not the band. Everyone's favourite Doctor (If he's not your favourite, then you may be on the wrong website) is back!
Series three is here. Just wondering who has seen it so far? Do you guys over the pond get it yet?
Those with cable in the US are seeing Series Three. Those of us without just began seeing Series One over the last few weeks; I've seen some -- "Dalek" was the most recent of them.
As long as the thread is relatively fresh, could someone explain this whole "every Doctor is a different aspect of the same person" thing to me?
It's pretty simple, actually. As a Time Lord, the Doctor has the ability to regenerate into a new body when his current one is irreparably injured. (It's not like transferring into a clone or something -- his old body turns into the new one.) Each body is different, including the subtle biological interactions that affect personality, so while the Doctor is the same guy, his personality is a little different each time.
The writers came up with this as a way to continue the character with a new actor, and it's served them well. Maybe a little too well -- the Doctor has only three regenerations left now. He'd better start eating his Wheaties.
(If I'm wrong about anything here, I'm sure a more hardcore Whovian will correct me.)
PointyHairedJedi
04-18-2007, 10:06 AM
Some Time Lords also have the ability to change their appearance at will, but that was basically shoehorned in so that Mary Tamm could replace Lalla Ward without the need for a full blown regeneration (though why exactly they did it this way I could not say).
The first two episodes so far have been okay, but the thrid I missed almost half of. From what I did see though it's easily the worst of this series so far (not saying much, I know) - while the Macra made for a really cool red herring, and the idea in general was pretty neat, there was some stuff that didn't make so much sense.
Nate the Great
04-18-2007, 10:46 AM
Whovian? Is that the real term?
Okay, thanks. I guess in the long run I'd rather have actor replacements actually replace the characters themselves as alternate versions than have the new guys have essentially identical personalities. Not that I don't like current Stargate, I love it, but I sometimes wonder how the Mitchell and Sheppard actors could fare if they didn't have to be O'Neill clones, but could use their own interpretations.
Katy Jane
04-19-2007, 04:10 PM
Calling a Doctor Who fan a Whovian is like calling a Trek fan a Treky ;)
PointyHairedJedi
04-20-2007, 07:38 PM
I call myself a Whovian. :p
Katy Jane
04-20-2007, 11:53 PM
Me too ;)
Nate the Great
04-21-2007, 02:04 AM
Just don't call yourself a Whoser, that's what you call a fan of Whose Line is it Anyway? :)
PointyHairedJedi
04-22-2007, 10:51 AM
I was right - Gridlock was indeed terrible. The beginning and the ending made absolutely no sense in relation to each other. Either one was right or the other, but there's no logical way that both could have been. It made me rather sad that they didn't think it was worth trying to fix this - I'm almost starting to come round to Valium's view of RTD at this rate.
Fortunately, episode four was much better, and episode five looks to be a corker. Hooray for two-parters!
catalina_marina
04-22-2007, 12:52 PM
Yeah but you'll have to explain this New York thing to me, I think. How is it that they're on Earth, but not in the UK?
Yeah, that's impossible. It must just be a part of London or Cardiff that looks like New York.
I speak sight unseen, however. Can't wait till this stupid work is done and I can catch up on things like TV.
PHJ: Take heart. Even if you find that Valium is right about RTD now, that has no bearing on whether you were right about his previous work. Sucking is not retroactive.
Chancellor Valium
04-22-2007, 02:57 PM
PHJ: Take heart. Even if you find that Valium is right about RTD now, that has no bearing on whether you were right about his previous work. Sucking is not retroactive.
Ahem.
(*Clears throat and straightens tie*)
Pathetic Earthling!
Or alternatively, PANCAKES! (http://www.angryflower.com/timelo.gif)
That is all.
( :p )
@Topic:
Episode One was mediocre at best. It suffered mainly from being a Sontaran/Rutan story, without Sontarans or Rutans. It also, suffered from cartoonish animals,the ridiculous marker pen-thing gadgets, Tennant being given more silly - something he can't do well AT ALL, though this is more the fault of the stupid writing than anything else, IMO. By my sword, Bloodaxe, this was bad!
Episode Two: Oh dear. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.
Episode Three: OK. Now we're getting somewhere. This one was mediocre. Which, on a relative scale, in relation to other RTD proferrings, makes it about an 8/10.
Episode Four: Might have worked without the pigs. WHY PIGS?! Also, the stupid bisexual reference was shoehorned an unnecessary, a continuity cock-up on a grand scale by claiming that it was during the Time War that Skaro was destroyed, Daleks Jules and Sandy were almost as camp as usual, the worst American accents I have yet to hear, and a plot that was just a tad bit limp. The direction was good, the sets were good, the acting was reasonable, and most of the dialogue was OK-to-good. The Laslo subplot was nauseating. 5.5/10 absolute score, 10/10 on the 'RTD-is-thick-as-two-short-planks-so-let's-pretend-it's-worth-more' scale.
5.5/10 absolute score, 10/10 on the 'RTD-is-thick-as-two-short-planks-so-let's-pretend-it's-worth-more' scale.
You know, there was a guy who used to review Voyager and give each episode two scores. One was the "real" score, and one was the Voyager score, since, he reasoned, Voyager sucked more than any other show and therefore needed a shorter scale to look remotely good. His condescension was so far advanced that he actually considered this a gesture of generosity and fairness.
Would you like to see where I buried that guy?
mudshark
04-22-2007, 03:54 PM
Yeah but you'll have to explain this New York thing to me, I think. How is it that they're on Earth, but not in the UK?
Yeah, that's impossible. It must just be a part of London or Cardiff that looks like New York.
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g223/mudshark58/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif
You know, there was a guy who used to review Voyager and give each episode two scores. One was the "real" score, and one was the Voyager score, since, he reasoned, Voyager sucked more than any other show and therefore needed a shorter scale to look remotely good. His condescension was so far advanced that he actually considered this a gesture of generosity and fairness.
Hmm, it wasn't Whettestone, was it? Sounds a little too clever.
No, it was just a reviewer whose Season 3 recap I stumbled upon once. Some would-be successor to Tim Lynch. I could probably find it again if I really wanted to, but what's more clichéd than returning to the scene of the crime?
mudshark
04-22-2007, 04:27 PM
Only some random internet weenie, then.
Naah, no point digging it up -- just momentarily curious, but it passes.
Nate the Great
04-22-2007, 09:59 PM
Ah yes, The Cynic. Great reviews. No one could succeed him.
PointyHairedJedi
04-22-2007, 10:32 PM
Yeah but you'll have to explain this New York thing to me, I think. How is it that they're on Earth, but not in the UK?
They did actually go to New York for a bit of pre-production filming (if that's the right term) - stuff that was added to the episode as compositing, basically. In that episode's Confidential, RTD stated that they went out of their way to avoid street scenes, etc., hence most of it thus far has either been indoors or in a park. He also made the interesting statement that he feels this is the first proper outing for the Daleks so far, as the previous stories as been more in the nature of 'events'.
Ah yes, The Cynic. Great reviews. No one could succeed him.
Hm? No, I'm a Cynic fan too, and it wasn't him. This was some random Usenet guy. (The Cynic didn't start Voyager till the following year.)
catalina_marina
04-23-2007, 07:51 AM
Yeah, that's impossible. It must just be a part of London or Cardiff that looks like New York.
You'd think so. But considering there are no darts and kites involved as far as I saw, let's assume it wasn't.
Would you like to see where I buried that guy?
Yes. Yes, I quite would. Do you have pictures?
Chancellor Valium
04-23-2007, 07:04 PM
You know, there was a guy who used to review Voyager and give each episode two scores. One was the "real" score, and one was the Voyager score, since, he reasoned, Voyager sucked more than any other show and therefore needed a shorter scale to look remotely good. His condescension was so far advanced that he actually considered this a gesture of generosity and fairness.
Would you like to see where I buried that guy?
Difference is, Voyager was, even at its worst, pretty good. At best, it was amazing (Year of Hell, for example.) It managed to fuse some ideas from the traditional ST style with some elements that made DS9 great.
RTD's campfest, on the other hand, has such a lack of redeeming features that it deserves to be subjected to the worst torture known to man - if there is anything worse than the climax of The Shakespeare Code as a form of cruel and unusual punishment.
Nate the Great
04-23-2007, 07:19 PM
Yeah, that's what I meant. Not the copycat, but the original.
http://www.cynicscorner.org/index.html
PointyHairedJedi
04-24-2007, 02:59 PM
RTD's campfest, on the other hand, has such a lack of redeeming features that it deserves to be subjected to the worst torture known to man - if there is anything worse than the climax of The Shakespeare Code as a form of cruel and unusual punishment.
Well, if he can't have you, then he'll break you. It's that simple. ;)
I think I've figured out the problem, Nate: do you think Tim Lynch is the Cynic? They're different guys (the Cynic's name is David E. Sluss). They both posted popular Trek reviews on Usenet, and they both use their middle initials a lot, but that's where the similarities end. Tim's reviewing goes back much longer, he doesn't have a site, and even on his meanest days, he never dished out the kind of abuse the Cynic specializes in.
Chancellor Valium
04-24-2007, 06:30 PM
Well, if he can't have you, then he'll break you. It's that simple. ;)
I could make a comment on his love life off that, but I won't ;)
Nate the Great
04-24-2007, 07:40 PM
Okay, I wash my hands of this whole affair. In my mind whoever writes the reviews on cynicscorner.org is The Cynic. I don't care what his real name is, mainly because he jumped ship years ago and it doesn't matter.
It sort of reminds me of the big controversy over which of the two "main" Evil Overlord/A James Bond Villian Devises a Plot/Whatever Lists is the "real" one. I don't care. I enjoy them both.
And I've heard of both David and Tim, but like I said...
PointyHairedJedi
04-26-2007, 09:43 AM
Drama queens. The internet would be a far less interesting place without them, though also far less annoying.
And..... On that note, I drag you all back to the thread. Doctor Who? Remember him?
What did you all think of the Dalek/New York New York (So good they ....made it a two parter?) episode?
The idea has been done before... I still liked it though.
Hejira
04-26-2007, 12:36 PM
To corrupt a bash.org quote: It's a Dalek, not a clown car.
PointyHairedJedi
04-26-2007, 07:01 PM
It was interesting. Plus, it's the first original direction the Daleks have been taken in for twenty-odd years, and that's a plus. Remains to be seen if it will end well, however.
Chancellor Valium
06-01-2007, 04:09 PM
I'm just going to warn people now that this post contains two quite large shocks. So don't act all surprised when they come, okay?
First of all, getting back on topic (I said not to act all surprised!), 'Daleks in Manhattan' had a distinctly fanwanky smell, IMO...
Secondly, '42' was flat.
Third, Human Nature was impressive.
...Ambulance?
I have taken the tupping liberty of renaming this thread to make it the official DW talk thread. Seems more sensible than starting a fresh one. More comments in a bit.
Ok.
Blink.
I'm LOVED it.
When I head about another Doctor-lite episode, I though...how crap. But it was fantastic! Clever story. REALLY REALLY clever monsters. Real funny bits. And some real jump moments!
Counter points anyone?
(I'm guessing.... Chancellor?)
I've just watched Blink for a second time.
I love it even more now. I'm like a babbling idiot. It makes even more sense the second time round.
On to the Final Three!
Chancellor Valium
06-14-2007, 03:05 PM
Umm, no. Actually, I thought it was fairly good.
Other than "timey-wimey" (passy-the-ee-sicky-buckety) and the somewhat redundant nude scene, thought it was pretty good. The control disc was a bit...We've-got-five-minutes-of-screen-time-to-finish-the-story-in-quick-how-do-we-do-this-AAAAAAH-invent-a-new-particle/wave/etc-maybe Star Trek at its worst, but it's infinitely better than Moffat's last proferring.
You're god damned right (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2001/01/12) it was good. What a terrific little story. Between this one and the "Human Nature" two-parter, this season has taken a major upturn (not that I didn't enjoy the first half).
I hope they can keep it up. Next week looks odd, but the previews have fooled me before. And I'm definitely looking forward to Captain Jack's return.
Chancellor Valium
06-15-2007, 01:27 PM
It seems the fanwanker strikes again. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/wk27/sat.shtml) [ED: HUGE SPOILER IN LINK. Warn a guy, Valium! - Z]
Oops! Sorry...
It seems the fanwanker strikes again. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/wk27/sat.shtml)
Sorry - Was that real?! It that what the episodes is going to be about?
Chancellor Valium
06-16-2007, 07:10 PM
Well, it's a legit Beeb website, so I'd assume it is...It also fits in with RNT's usual idea of how to end a season...
Hmm.
Mixed bag, this one.
Captain Jack, but Professor Yana. John Simm but Derek Jacobi. Murray Gold, but err... actually, there's nothing that could counterpoint the awfulness (and inappropriateness!) of Gold's muzakal choons.
John Simm as the Master...Urk. What a horrendous performance. It's gurning-chips-and-joompahs all over again.
2/10. Would be a five or maybe a six, but John Simm's performance (and, to be fair, Jacobi's "I am the Master!") pushed it down.
Oh, and what a fantastically, stupendously idiotic plot.
Ok, I'm going to be very angry if I don't get the answers to some questions.
-Why did the Doctor leave Jack back on the station? (and none of that 'You're All Wrong' crap.)
-Why would the 'TARDIS' think he's wrong too? It more or less helped create him!
-Un-killable or not....clinging to the outside of the TARDIS? IT DOES NOT FLY LIKE THAT! IT Dematerializes!!.
-What and Where were Utopia? Will we ever find out?
-Right. The Master became human? When? 50 years ago? 100? What about the other 50 [trillion] years in the middle? Are you telling me he made it to the end of time? Then became human?
-OK. The Master. Last seen, the Doctor Who Movie. Had zero regenerations left. And then fell into the Eye of Harmony. How did he get out of that one? Where did he get more regenerations from?
-Who were the 'future people'? Were they really .... future people?
I'm feeling anger.
Nate the Great
06-17-2007, 12:09 AM
Just don't Hulk out on us, okay? :)
Oh and...
Oh, and what a fantastically, stupendously idiotic plot.
Chancellor, Doctor Who.
Doctor Who, Chancellor Valium.
Have you two met?
Chancellor Valium
06-17-2007, 11:05 AM
Oh and...
Chancellor, Doctor Who.
Doctor Who, Chancellor Valium.
Have you two met?
Suspension of disbelief? OK, yeah, got it.
But that was just...Goonish.
catalina_marina
06-17-2007, 09:56 PM
Well I haven't seen the original doctor who seasons of course... But I was really hoping the other timelord was someone we already knew. From the new series that is.
What is that noise? Where's it coming from?
It's like.... the sound of drums.....?
Chancellor Valium
06-23-2007, 11:01 PM
Sounds like what you need...is a Doctor ;)
SPOILERS!
And if the rumour about Jack being the Doctor's son is true, there will be a copious quantity of blood dripping from RNT's office.
Hmm. Another mixed bag. Simm is good as the Master, I'll grant. He's good as the Master in a 1972 serial. Then you could get away with hamminess, which now is just out of place. At times, the over-acting spilled over a bit too far, too (such as meeting the Jones' at the airport), such that it made Ainley and Roberts look restrained, but...eh.
Although again with the childish humour, and the cross-species love, which seems even more unlikely given the Master's arrogance - and his comment in "Utopia" about being killed by a female...a Time Lord falling in love with a human is rather like a human falling in love with a butterfly - it may be pretty, but it's thoroughly stupid, and dead in no time. You couldn't even use it for casual sex [something I neither condone nor approve of] - as a relationship, it's pointless.
I did like the shots of Gallifrey - very well done there, although the whole idea of Time Lords procreating is bizarre, IMO - I can't even get my head around the concept of...well, put it this way. Borusa or Flavia in bed, even with another Gallifreyan. Exactly.
Although, come to think of it, it didn't exactly look old. Which given that it had been built ten-million years previously...
Besides, Rassilon is modelled on Divi Augustus, who was very much a prude, and wouldn't have thought that sort of thing ought to go on (though wouldn't have let that stop him getting it on with whoever he fancied), and there's the whole question of the Looms, the Great Houses, the Pythia, etc.
That's rather nitpicky, though.
Also, the Time Lords resurrecting him? Hmmm. A little too convenient, IMO. As usual, an explanation that doesn't actually explain.
the Toclafane remind me of the Spheroids (?) of Spheron I in Futurama ("we demand bouncing!" "And rolling!" &c.), but otherwise are OK, although their voices are a little annoying, and about as scary as a pink, fluffy Slitheen.
Erm. Anyone else spot the Time Lord sign on the Valiant?
I did like the 'paradox machine', but there's been no explanation of why the Toclafane are a paradox. Also, if the Master has heard the sound of drums all his life, why are we only hearing about it now?
Direction was bland and the music steadily got worse. The Master, too, now is a naff twat from down the pub, but I was expecting that.
Pace was good, the story arc worked, even if we did find out what was going to happen rather too early. Curious to see how the Time Lords fit into this.
Like so many RTD stories (yes, he's earned his actual name back...), flawed, but a great basic idea.
Oh, and what the hell was that about choosing their names? We're not meant to know why the Doctor is the Doctor, or how, or anything else. He just is. Like time itself.
Would be 6/10, but it gains a point for the use of actual Time Lord dress (although the idea of a Time Lord outside the Citadel except for a ceremonial purpose and the naming of a continent "Wild Endeavours" knocks it down half a point).
The final CV rating therefore is 6.5/10
[Edit: What a long review!]
Sounds like what you need...is a Doctor ;)
SPOILERS!
And if the rumour about Jack being the Doctor's son is true, there will be a copious quantity of blood dripping from RNT's office.
Yikes.... His son? Oh...not good.
Hmm. Another mixed bag. Simm is good as the Master, I'll grant. He's good as the Master in a 1972 serial. Then you could get away with hamminess, which now is just out of place. At times, the over-acting spilled over a bit too far, too (such as meeting the Jones' at the airport), such that it made Ainley and Roberts look restrained, but...eh.
Although again with the childish humour, and the cross-species love, which seems even more unlikely given the Master's arrogance - and his comment in "Utopia" about being killed by a female...a Time Lord falling in love with a human is rather like a human falling in love with a butterfly - it may be pretty, but it's thoroughly stupid, and dead in no time. You couldn't even use it for casual sex [something I neither condone nor approve of] - as a relationship, it's pointless.
Hhhhmmmmm...maybe he's just different now.. The Doctor changes... I mean yeah, he's basicly the same. But different from one regeneration to another.... also...maybe he's using her too..
I did like the shots of Gallifrey - very well done there, although the whole idea of Time Lords procreating is bizarre, IMO - I can't even get my head around the concept of...well, put it this way. Borusa or Flavia in bed, even with another Gallifreyan. Exactly.
Huge amount of backstory in this episode. It was like.... WHOA!
Although, come to think of it, it didn't exactly look old. Which given that it had been built ten-million years previously...
Besides, Rassilon is modelled on Divi Augustus, who was very much a prude, and wouldn't have thought that sort of thing ought to go on (though wouldn't have let that stop him getting it on with whoever he fancied), and there's the whole question of the Looms, the Great Houses, the Pythia, etc.
That's rather nitpicky, though.
Also, the Time Lords resurrecting him? Hmmm. A little too convenient, IMO. As usual, an explanation that doesn't actually explain.
Might happen. They used him in the Five Doctors when they needed him! But I'm just happy they even gave an explanation at all. I was worried they wouldn't bother!
the Toclafane remind me of the Spheroids (?) of Spheron I in Futurama ("we demand bouncing!" "And rolling!" &c.), but otherwise are OK, although their voices are a little annoying, and about as scary as a pink, fluffy Slitheen.
I do hope they get explained. How do they fit in? where they from?
Erm. Anyone else spot the Time Lord sign on the Valiant?
Valiant... very captain scarlett!
I did like the 'paradox machine', but there's been no explanation of why the Toclafane are a paradox. Also, if the Master has heard the sound of drums all his life, why are we only hearing about it now?
Another one... what was the 'darkness' that the Toclafane spoke of?
Direction was bland and the music steadily got worse. The Master, too, now is a naff twat from down the pub, but I was expecting that.
Pace was good, the story arc worked, even if we did find out what was going to happen rather too early. Curious to see how the Time Lords fit into this.
Like so many RTD stories (yes, he's earned his actual name back...), flawed, but a great basic idea.
Oh, and what the hell was that about choosing their names? We're not meant to know why the Doctor is the Doctor, or how, or anything else. He just is. Like time itself.
hhmmmm...I always guessed it was a cover.... for another name. It's always be hinted thoughout the whole of doctor who...
Would be 6/10, but it gains a point for the use of actual Time Lord dress (although the idea of a Time Lord outside the Citadel except for a ceremonial purpose and the naming of a continent "Wild Endeavours" knocks it down half a point).
The final CV rating therefore is 6.5/10
[Edit: What a long review!]
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Liked the bit's about Torchwood though! How they were sent off and that.
Can't wait till then next episode. Looking forward to the big finish!
Chancellor Valium
06-25-2007, 05:06 PM
I'd agree that the Master is probably using Mrs. Saxon, but what for, now that he's effectively got what he wants? The Master (stereo)typically would've killed her by now...Quite (melo)dramatically. With muchos insane laughing.
PointyHairedJedi
06-27-2007, 06:38 PM
That episode made me want to cry, and not in a good way. I rather suspect that I'm just not going to want to think about the finale after it actually happens - until then I'm in a state of dreadful anticipation.
Chancellor Valium
06-27-2007, 09:46 PM
At last, you have awakened!
[/Kreia]
What?!
I watched it a second time, and to be honest, I'm really liking it. I thought the stuff about the Timelords and their city was lovely! Wonderful visuals.. and haunting music. Made them seem almost... god-like and nice. Too bad we know that they're usually idiots. I'm still not sure about the Valient though. Even with the Masters help building it... too much I think. Why not just give 21st century Earth a Death Star too?
But I thought it was kinda cool!
Oh! I did like how the music changed into Torchwood music when Jack was speaking... Neat.
Chancellor Valium
06-28-2007, 12:31 AM
I was more concrned that it looked like Cloudbase from Captain Scarlet.
As for the Citadel...ehh. It looks like a collection of executive desk toys combined with a snow-globe. And besides, the city is meant to be ten-million years old. Doesn't look it, I must say. Also, the Time Lords were never nice. Manipulative, perhaps. Overall, good, perhaps. But nice? Hmph.
And the Master was waaaaaay too panto.
lol. That suggests that the Master was ever anything else other than panto. Come on. Cape.... crazy laugh... all he needed was a top hat to finish the look.
On the idea of the city.... if they could make a city that could last that long , I'm sure the Timelords could find a way to make it stay new and pretty. i.e the city of the Exxilons (Death to the Daleks).
It's the hallmark of a advanced race, don't you know?
PointyHairedJedi
06-28-2007, 11:43 AM
I figured out what it was that I liked the least - John Simm just isn't the Master. Mostly that is down to RTD's writing and direction for the part; what we should have seen is a character who was far more subtle in his madness and not nearly so manic, because that's who the Master is. In his defence I will say that I think that this is the first really major misstep Davies has taken, but even so it's a whopper.
Chancellor Valium
06-30-2007, 10:17 PM
It's the hallmark of a advanced race, don't you know?
But the Time Lords like ancient and crumbling!
@Pointy: Nope. His decisions on the Doctor are pretty off, too. Everything he's done so far has led up to the Master's "OK, duckies, it's ME-ee! Ooooooooooh, suit you, sir!" ridiculousness.
And on to the subject of the Master. He's more over-the-top than the excesses of Ainley. And Ainley was ridiculous. He's worse than Eric Roberts' "I alwayz drezz for the occasion" campness. He is...urk. There are no words to describe the silliness, the ridiculous cabinet scene...Ugh.
On to "The Last of the Ham Lords". Right now, I am very, very angry, in the heads-rolling-on-the-floor way, for only mildly-related reasons. As for the episode itself, I think it can be summed up in one word: "insulting".
I see your Insulted... and raise you Nausea.
I can not believe... anything anymore. I feel like my grip on reality (A lose one at best) has been broken. What in the HELL was that!?
Oh yeah. BTW
Spoilers
To be honest, I think it's more a duty to mankind to forewarn people.
Why?
Thats what people usually ask, after a tragedy. Why did this happen to me?
I've led a good life. I give to charity. I help old people across the road (Whether they want to or not.) The other day I saved a cute little Hedgehog from certain doom.
Yet... I'm rewarded... with this pile of crap.
The brief cliff battle, was more the kind of thing I was hoping for. And the bit about....the face of Boe. Bit clever. The rest?
I need to lay down. For about a year.
Grayvorn
07-01-2007, 12:30 AM
Last of the Time Lords was a cracking end to what for me, has been perhaps the best season of Doctor Who ever!!!! :D
PointyHairedJedi
07-01-2007, 10:01 AM
I have a feeling you'll be in a distinct minority with that view.
Thinking about it, what's all the more disappointing for me is that, aside from those last three episodes, season 3 was an all round improvement on season 2. I was actually starting to think that perhaps RTD had... matured a bit, but I guess I couldn't have been more wrong. The fact that we had yet another deus ex machina ending (three in a row now), and even a disturbingly similar lead-in to the Christmas special as last year ("What? What?!"), all leads me to conclude that whatever originality Mr. Davies came to the series with is now totally spent.
Chancellor Valium
07-01-2007, 04:00 PM
Last of the Time Lords was a cracking end to what for me, has been perhaps the best season of Doctor Who ever!!!! :D
Dr. Wykoff, please come to isolation ward four...
I know this will come as a huge shock to everyone, but I loved it. Sure it was a sort of deus ex machina, but it made more sense than Rose the Time Goddess. One advantage Doctor Who has over Star Trek is that nothing in the series stands up to complete scrutiny, so all the writers need to do is give a good nudge in the direction of sense. We don't know the mechanics of the Doctor working himself into the psychic network or harnessing the human race's collective will, but we know there are mechanics; it's not an Earthbound/MegaMan Battle Network sort of thing where everybody praying gives you energy all by itself.
There's too much good stuff here to let the silly parts get in the way. The paradox machine concept lived up to the coolness of its name. The identity of the Toclafane was perfect: not Daleks or Time Lords (both of which I was worried about), and like the solution to a good detective story, something we had all the clues to figure out. I'm a sucker for RTD's technique of drawing together seemingly unimportant elements of past episodes. (Farscape had the same habit.)
Two moments particularly stood out for me. One was the creepy, effective intro. (Who was sending that warning about the Earth's "terminal extinction", anyway? Do we know?) The other was the climax. It was a given that the Master would die, and once the anti-Time-Lord weapon was introduced, I assumed it would be used on him. (It's almost too bad it wasn't real -- the concept was certainly plausible.) What I didn't predict was the Master letting himself die just to hurt the Doctor. Now that's a dedicated villain.
On the other hand, I don't like the revelation about Jack. It's clever, I admit (almost too clever), but there are two problems. One is that if the Face were Jack, it wouldn't have told the Doctor he wasn't alone as if that were a good thing. He saw firsthand that finding the Master would only hurt the Doctor. The other is that I just don't like this fate for Jack. It'll hang like a shadow over the character now whenever we see him. I want him to get his cure someday and have a normal death. Since RTD was apparently vague about this in the podcast, and since everything else we know about the Face makes less sense if he was originally human, I'm going to assume for now that Jack was just messing with the Doctor's head. He brought it up out of nowhere, after all.
So yeah, overall I thought this was great. Certainly very far from the disaster you guys are talking about. One of these days I should try agreeing with the majority about some show, just as a change of pace....
Chancellor Valium
07-02-2007, 12:43 PM
I know this will come as a huge shock to everyone, but I loved it. Sure it was a sort of deus ex machina, but it made more sense than Rose the Time Goddess. One advantage Doctor Who has over Star Trek is that nothing in the series stands up to complete scrutiny, so all the writers need to do is give a good nudge in the direction of sense. We don't know the mechanics of the Doctor working himself into the psychic network or harnessing the human race's collective will, but we know there are mechanics; it's not an Earthbound/MegaMan Battle Network sort of thing where everybody praying gives you energy all by itself.
There's too much good stuff here to let the silly parts get in the way. The paradox machine concept lived up to the coolness of its name. The identity of the Toclafane was perfect: not Daleks or Time Lords (both of which I was worried about), and like the solution to a good detective story, something we had all the clues to figure out. I'm a sucker for RTD's technique of drawing together seemingly unimportant elements of past episodes. (Farscape had the same habit.)
Two moments particularly stood out for me. One was the creepy, effective intro. (Who was sending that warning about the Earth's "terminal extinction", anyway? Do we know?) The other was the climax. It was a given that the Master would die, and once the anti-Time-Lord weapon was introduced, I assumed it would be used on him. (It's almost too bad it wasn't real -- the concept was certainly plausible.) What I didn't predict was the Master letting himself die just to hurt the Doctor. Now that's a dedicated villain.
On the other hand, I don't like the revelation about Jack. It's clever, I admit (almost too clever), but there are two problems. One is that if the Face were Jack, it wouldn't have told the Doctor he wasn't alone as if that were a good thing. He saw firsthand that finding the Master would only hurt the Doctor. The other is that I just don't like this fate for Jack. It'll hang like a shadow over the character now whenever we see him. I want him to get his cure someday and have a normal death. Since RTD was apparently vague about this in the podcast, and since everything else we know about the Face makes less sense if he was originally human, I'm going to assume for now that Jack was just messing with the Doctor's head. He brought it up out of nowhere, after all.
So yeah, overall I thought this was great. Certainly very far from the disaster you guys are talking about. One of these days I should try agreeing with the majority about some show, just as a change of pace....
You seem to think that the programme itself is gibberish, so Runt Q Dawkins' nonsense is excusable anyway. THAT is the fault in your reasoning.
To quote someone on another board: I thought this was really awful, quite possibly one of the worst Doctor Who stories ever. It's as though RTD put a collection of ideas into a hat, pulled them out at random and decided to string them together without any concern for whether the plot actually made any sensr or not. For instance, why did aging the Doctor cause him to shrink into a Gollum-like creature? And why did just channelling the thoughts of all the remaining humans through the archangel network reverse the effect, and apparently give him godlike powers to boot? What the hell was all that about? How did Martha manage to traverse the world, and communicate with all the surviving humans in just a year? Did she walk, how did she travel, or what? I could go on and on about plot holes, but by far the worst thing about it was John Simm as the Master. He basically portrayed him as a complete prat, a comic-book parody of his former self. I realise there were always camp, comic-book aspects to the character, but previous actors who played the part could carry this off with a bit of panache. Simm was just embarrassing. This was a very disappointing season finale.
Basic fact is, Zeke, as a piece of science fiction it is execrable. As a piece of television it is dross. As an episode of Doctor Who, it is so far from "good" that no word in the English language quite provides accurate meaning.
Oh we blessed ones.
Just when it was (for me) at a very low point... Salvation!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6267680.stm
Genius. Simply Genius.
I don't think it's going to be a good series, I know it's going to be a good series.
PointyHairedJedi
07-04-2007, 07:52 PM
...I never thought I'd be glad to head that she's heading back to our screens, but strangely I am.
I think Donna will be fantastic as an companion. She's different to Rose and Martha, which is what you really need. The problem (for me) with Martha, was she was too like Rose. Started off shocked...learned to grow into traveling... the whole 'in love' with the Doctor thing. Looking back at the earlier Doctors, they had a bit more different companions. Leela - pre-historic girl, Turlough - Alien, Romana - Timelady, Jamie - From the past, Zoe - from the future...
I like how she both was and wasn't afraid of the Doctor, and even how she was a little bit shallow.
I rewatched 'The Runaway Bride' yesterday. I'd forgotten how much humor was in that episode, and most of it... from Donna.
I think it's also great that a past 'companion' will be returning (In a way) instead of meeting and whisking away someone in the same episode.
Saying all that, this will probley go balls up, be the worst series so far, finish off Doctor Who forever and destroy the BBC.
However, I remain blissfully optimistic!
Chancellor Valium
07-05-2007, 03:34 PM
Oh, great.
A two-dimensional, screeching chav.With the brains of a dead duck to boot.
How very Ruby N Mustard.
From now on, I'm sticking to B5, and things that aren't complete brain-rot.
Ok. I've re watched the last of the timelord, and maybe I was a little harsh on it.
I think it was because I was expecting so much different to how the episode played out, and plus, I'm not usually disappointed by Doctor Who. This feeling is all new to me.
The music at the start was very creepy. I liked that. And the Master...yeah very different guy to usual. Campy, over the top, but all the while... frightening. Like he was totally unstable, and could do anything, at anytime... The bit where he was pushing the Doctor around with the music playing.. made me feel uneasy. And so did the Doctor in the tent, with the dog bowl bit. For a year?
Not sure what the whole tiny doctor creature was about though...
There was something in another old episode about timelords can live for ever, barring accidents and attacks. Maybe thats what would have happened to a timelord if they didn't regenerate? And just kept living the same body?
The captian Jack/Boe thing was.... silly. Made no sense. And the End? they had better have a bloody good reason for that in the next episode!
PointyHairedJedi
07-07-2007, 03:32 PM
Ok. I've re watched the last of the timelord, and maybe I was a little harsh on it.
Impossible!
mudshark
07-07-2007, 10:48 PM
How very Ruby N Mustard.
And who's this Ruby, when she's at home?
Chancellor Valium
07-09-2007, 02:38 PM
And who's this Ruby, when she's at home?
The same person as Runt Q Dawkins, Rudolf F Manatee, Rudy C Indigo, John Q Public, and Russell Nathan-Turner.
I'm still no expert on Who fandom, but I have a feeling that if I were, stuff like that would annoy me as much as "Bermaga" and "The Evil Bs."
Lostoyannaya
07-11-2007, 12:36 PM
Doctor Who New Series Three was fantastic.
And then someone had the idea of letting Russel T. Davies write the script for the last episode.
I'm surprised JK Rowling, Voyager and God haven't filed lawsuits yet.
Chancellor Valium
07-11-2007, 06:02 PM
Don't forget Gerry Anderson.
Lostoyannaya
07-11-2007, 06:14 PM
Oh, how could I have forgotten? I am reading The Indestructable Man.
Katy Jane
07-15-2007, 06:09 AM
Oh, great.
A two-dimensional, screeching chav.With the brains of a dead duck to boot.
Meh. Its a little quick to judge a character from just one episode. I'm looking forward to her being in the series because it will give the character a chance to grow. She had changed radically (imho) just from her experiences in the one episode, just think what could happen in a whole series or more.
And I'm really getting sick of the term chav, i don't put up with people calling people white trash either.
I still maintain that Donna will be a Fantastic companion. Untill she's proven not to be, in which case, you heard nothing.
Chancellor Valium
07-21-2007, 12:17 AM
Meh. Its a little quick to judge a character from just one episode. I'm looking forward to her being in the series because it will give the character a chance to grow. She had changed radically (imho) just from her experiences in the one episode, just think what could happen in a whole series or more.
And I'm really getting sick of the term chav, i don't put up with people calling people white trash either.
We had an hour of pain as Catherine Tate bawled into the screen.
That's two episodes. And one hour too much. The character was two-dimensional then, and won't change. Because, and I cannot stress this enough, Rummy L Superbus has talent for writing on a par with Confucius' ability to yodel.
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