I wonder what's next...

[KillerGodMan]

Well, ENT has been canceled, so B&B are probably going to make a new series, at least, they BETTER make a new series, or else they're going to have an angry mob on their hands with me near the front holding a large gun...

ANYWAYS, I start this thread to speculate on what the next Star Trek is going to be....

Here's what I first thought; It'll take place after Voyager so It'll have new technology, maybe loosely based on the Q continum series of TNG books where they try to pass the Galatic Barrier...

That's what I think, what do you all think it'll be?

[NeoMatrix]

They could do Voyager: The Next Generation

lol

[MaverickZer0]

Personally, I'm hoping it'll have something to do with Section 31.


Anything other than that will not have a chance of replacing Enterprise, in my book any ways.

[Ginga]

I almost think another series would doom us all. I think Trek needs a tiny break. Just a tiny one. Not enough to drive us all insane. They need time to think up really fresh ideas to impress people again.

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[richardson]

Ah, they could use another 5-15 year hiatus, long enough for me to sneak onto the scene, and star as the captain of the next misfit, old-rust-buckety ship.


That would be fun.

[NAHTMMM]

I like the way the Gorkon series has been going so far...

*whistles innocently*

[KillerGodMan]

A year of Hiatus should be enough time for the writers to all get fired and and new writers to make a super-duper amazing character series.

Also, B&B should get fired to, sorry to anyone that like them, but I lost my faith in them after the C/7 scene.

[richardson]

nah, give it more time to cool off, and let better people move onto the scene!

[Chancellor Valium]

I'm afraid I think that ST has exhausted most ideas. Anything new so soon would feel hackneyed or a re-hash. Maybe they could do anoth TOS film first :wink:

[KillerGodMan]

Actually, they COULD make a seires that takes place at the same time as TNG, post- First Contact, where there is more advanced technology because of ENT, just to fix the continuity

[Celeste]

I don't believe that star trek needs a break. The stories are good, and still fresh (to me, anyway. I'm not the kind of person that pours over every episode looking for simularities like other trekkies i know.) But, with the movie doing badly, and now the last show, I truely believe that no network, and no film producers will ever back another Star Trek Show. At least not for a long time. Maybe in 20 years a new breed will come along and revive the series. But I don't think before then.

[KillerGodMan]

I don't believe that star trek needs a break. The stories are good, and still fresh (to me, anyway. I'm not the kind of person that pours over every episode looking for simularities like other trekkies i know.) But, with the movie doing badly, and now the last show, I truely believe that no network, and no film producers will ever back another Star Trek Show. At least not for a long time. Maybe in 20 years a new breed will come along and revive the series. But I don't think before then.

Are you NUTS? Nelson ratings! THINK OF THE NELSON RATINGS! Tv stations are FIGHTING over Trek. Why? Because the nelson ratings state than Men aged 16-24 watch it as much as they watch sports, THAT'S why the made the movies, THAT'S why Trek still exists, because advertisers pay the producers carp-loads of money for commercial air time. Trek is going to be back in less than 5-10 years.

[Chancellor Valium]

I personally think ENTVS5 would be fun........but we'd need to work out a rough overall plot (CD etc) first...... :)

[Celeste]

Are you NUTS? Nelson ratings! THINK OF THE NELSON RATINGS! Tv stations are FIGHTING over Trek. Why? Because the nelson ratings state than Men aged 16-24 watch it as much as they watch sports, THAT'S why the made the movies, THAT'S why Trek still exists, because advertisers pay the producers carp-loads of money for commercial air time.

Oh yeah? if that's the case, then why did they cancel it? huh??

[Chancellor Valium]

Unless you two are pretending to be really annoyed, this is starting to sound like the US elections thread :wink:

[PointyHairedJedi]

Well, I can't believe that the Trek franchise is going to sit idle for any great length of time. I don't have any preference for what comes next though - first and formost I want to be surprised, to be given something new. I had hoped to see that with ENT itself, but it didn't really hit the mark,

[KillerGodMan]

Are you NUTS? Nelson ratings! THINK OF THE NELSON RATINGS! Tv stations are FIGHTING over Trek. Why? Because the nelson ratings state than Men aged 16-24 watch it as much as they watch sports, THAT'S why the made the movies, THAT'S why Trek still exists, because advertisers pay the producers carp-loads of money for commercial air time.

Oh yeah? if that's the case, then why did they cancel it? huh??

Because Stargate SG-1 is ALSO watched by the same group, only more watch SG than ENT.

[Zeke]

Yeah, that idea was right up there with "Let's put ENT opposite Angel and Smallville!"

On the other hand, if Friday is all "the death slot," how come Stargate is still running?

[Nan]

It's not really that the Golden Demographic watches Stargate more than Enterprise. Stargate's fanbase hasn't had anything to divide it since Shanks returned, and it's had an effective and consistent publicity treatment from the various networks.

Enterprise has opposition from the moment of conception due to iffy or divisive decisions on the part of TPTB. Messing with canon, weird opening credits, not even called "Star Trek" for the first season... The Killer Bs at the helm (everyone is familiar with the sentiment that Voyager became Star Trek: Seven of Nine, for example, poisoning people to the idea of Braga's contribution)... Vulcan in catsuit... decon gel... disorganized writing... Etc. People perceived a lot of these decisions as a lack of respect to the fans on the part of B&B, and decided "I'm not watching it" without giving it a chance.

Angel and Firefly were very much cult shows heavy on arc and characterization which required long viewing to really understand. Stargate is less arc-based, less cult, and has been in a stronger position since the beginning. The network ordered 2 seasons off the bat, and then another two a year (I think) later, thus guaranteeing 4 seasons at the beginning of the series. Enterprise never got that treatment.

To me, it looks like severe mismanagement. ENT needed a WAY better media campaign, for one. B&B would have done well to make some gestures toward the existing fanbase early in the development of the concept to minimize the animosity. 'Course, hindsight is 20/20. And UPN's always sucked with management.

/punditry

[Opium]

I agree with Trek taking a year off.

[wacky theory] Perhaps Trek fans got turned off due to lack of P/C, so they all decided to boycott Enterprise [/wacky theory]

Because of above [wacky theory] I think a series about Section 31 would be cool. Perhaps bring in Chris Carter. And Joss Whedon...together, they might re-vitalize things.

Section 31, or a show about Starfleet training? Something new, but not too new, which uses the original timeline, and uses tried-and-true stuff, but doesn't rely on it. A show of condtradictions, but not a lot, because then the audience will get confused.

[KillerGodMan]

Star Trek: The Temporal Police Work Overtime to Arrest Picard for *#%$ing Up The Timeline

heh...heh...heh...no

[Ginga]

1.) [wacky theory] Perhaps Trek fans got turned off due to lack of P/C, so they all decided to boycott Enterprise [/wacky theory]
2.) Perhaps bring in Chris Carter.

1. And J/C.

2. No, he's a king of bad endings, remember? Eeerrrgghh. *holds head in hands remembering the X-Files finale*

[Opium]

Well, they could have Chris Carter and Joss Whedon for seasons 1-6, and then get, um...the guys who did DS9 for the last season.

*sigh*

[Chancellor Valium]

I think an ST set in the TMP time would be quite fun :wink:
Or ST And the Lost Temple Of Silik :wink:

[Ginga]

Well, they could have Chris Carter and Joss Whedon for seasons 1-6, and then get, um...the guys who did DS9 for the last season.

*sigh*

Okay, that would work. :D

Valium - You mean you WANT to stare at the screen in amazement of trippy special effects 10 thousand more times!?

:lol:

[Chancellor Valium]

No, I just like the TMP mini-series of films that's all :wink:

[MaverickZer0]

Time Travel? Oh no.

I think we had enough of that with the last two series, thank you very much. (Serieses? Series'?)

[NeoMatrix]

They could do a series that focuses on Starfleet Academy. Maybe a look back on when the characters you know were back in the Academy days.

[Zeke]

That's one of the most persistent rumours in the Trek community -- ever since early TAS development, people have been throwing the idea around. Personally, I don't think it's ever been a good idea, but especially not now. Most "teen shows" are just so bad these days... that genre and Trek would go together like oil and antimatter. It wouldn't be impossible to do well, but the outlook would not be rosy.

Admittedly, I don't know what the best idea for a new Trek show would be. Let's hope it doesn't come to that for a couple of seasons yet.

[Gatac]

My personal idea for the next Trek?

Diplomacy Mini-Series.

Set Post-NEM, the Alpha Quadrant is in shambles, and political games are being played all over the place. Watch as alliances are formed and broken. A strong secondary component would be espionage (I don't much like Section 31, but I could tolerate it as a sideplot, not the main focus).

Heck, you could have multiple miniseries set at various important points of Federation history. I don't think the idea can be stretched out to a "normal" series, but something like BSG's 13 episodes / season should be feasible.

The Why: Because we have seen diplomacy play a big part in Trek, but it's never really been the main focus of a show. Because the espionage/intelligence components could satisfy the action crowd; I personally love seeing special operations personnel on secret missions, but I think it's too tedious to carry a series on it's own. Because it's character-driven, giving us the opportunity to develop diplomats, attachés and, yes, the Starfleet officers who carry out their directives. Because it's cost-effective and can be done with a minimum of FX.

Because it's different.

Well, that's my 2 euro-cents, anyway.

Gatac

[Opium]

What about Red Dwarf: Story of a Redshirt ?

Galliant young Crewman Winstonsmithington sees and hears all that goes on the Enterprise's G,H, and L. (as I-K are destroyed in drydock by Wesley Crusher) In his hardworking job as Third Holodeck Security Guard monitor, graveyard shift, he witnesses much...and manages to save many from romantic, scientific, and electronic disasters, all while suffering from a problem of great shame-having a full, luxurious head of hair.

But seriously...maybe a show from a slightly different perspective? Something with some new zing, while keeping the old spirit. Like what TNG and DS9 did.

[PointyHairedJedi]

My personal idea for the next Trek?

Diplomacy Mini-Series.
<snip>
Something featuring the Grand Alliance (http://www.inpayne.com/models/kitbash/trekpage_alliance.html), perhaps? ;)

[Xeroc]

Well... I think a futuristic series would be better. Each series before Enterprise came after each other, and this one would come after the latest movie. (And you can't re-write history if you're in the future!)

The specifics... beats me... just as long as it's done well, and the writing is good, it should succeed.

[Nate the Great]

I gotta cast my vote for a Starfleet Academy series or movie. They would've done it way back instead of Star Trek VI if the 25th anniversary hadn't cropped up. Set it post-Voyager so you could have all of our favorite TNG, DS9, and VOY folks show up from time to time. Maybe have O'Brien as a regular again. Maybe have Picard as Commandant. He'd probably only agree to occasional guest spots, but he could be offscreen working though a nervous Ensign or something. Back when Wesley and Locarno were at the Academy they proved that there was a lot of intrigue and stuff going on. Have a Command track, a Medical, a Science, and an Engineering cadet living in the same dorm. They see things in different ways. They react to training situations differently. You'd have the Starfleet brat who's a decendent of someone from TOS, a Vulcan woman (I'd like to see more of the female Vulcan viewpoint, not like T'Pol, a REAL Vulcan), the alien engineering whizkid (not like Wesley or Barclay, but an engineering version of Neelix), and the human woman who comes from one of the outer worlds. She counterpoints the lead, makes him think beyond his lifetime of Starfleet "brainwashing," makes him look at life from the perspective of "the outsider." With O'Brien as their engineering professor and a few other professors for command, science, etc we could have a cross between "Saved by the Bell in Space" and classic Trek. It'd be great!

[Zeke]

I'm still not an Academy-series fan. I'm not sure what I do want to see in a Trek series, though... maybe things will be clearer in a couple of years. I'm still hurting for ENT -- I'm in no hurry to try and embrace a whole new Trek.

[Derek]

^ Agreed, Zeke. An Academy series holds no appeal for me. I hear people keep suggesting them, and I've never liked the idea.

And I too am still missing ENT as well, so much so that my first idea for the next series would be another ship set at the same times as ENT. (The NX-02 or 03 maybe.)

[Michiel]

I'm not sure about the academy idea. But one thing's certain. Whichever new Startrek series comes, I'll watch it and enjoy it.

I don't think there are many new things to do in ENT time. I think I'd prefer a post-Nemesis series. Janeway's an admiral. Picard's a diplomat. B4 will be there, of course, having developed a bit further. (Incidentally, what's the last thing that happened to Lore? He could participate.) And I liked DS9 a lot because of the big big big storylines. There should be something like that. I like the big-scale things. Wars, alliances, etc. More Qish stuff would also be nice.

Anyway, I'm not sure how big a break ST will take, but it's tried and true. They'll figure something out.

[whoiam]

I'm thinking a 'more realistic' ship based series... one where your main away party into a hostile, combat situation does not consist entirely of bridge crew, for instance...*-)

Seriously, an academy series is likely to have the same sort of tone as DS9 before the dominion war (you know, lots of politics, little exploration). The major difference is the extra number of teenaged and child characters...

My preference for a new series would be that tri-pronged ship that you saw in one Voyager episode (one of the doc's 'back in the alpha-quadrant' eps) - it looks cool, okay? - sent to explore the gamma quadrant. Give it a cloaking device under the same terms as the Defiant had one, and make the Romulan liason officer an important character (its time the Romulans had one that wasn't Sela). We've seen plenty of Klingons (between Worf and Torres, we've seen more about Klingons then any other species apart from humans), now its time to flesh out another one. Its setting would also allow a Bajoran or Cardassian onto the crew (one of both, just to give us some season one fireworks?), as they are both relatively well fleshed-out species that we could still do to learn more about (and from more points of view then the 4 that DS9 offered us regularly).

I agree with Infinite Improbability - a female Vulcan that isn't as emotional as T'Pol turned out to be would be nice - if only for the fireworks with the Romulan.

So, we'd have a cool new three-part ship, Romulans, Cardassians, Bajorans and Vulcans on the crew as main characters, and a whole new quadrant to explore despite still having access to federation bases...

(mental note: ramble less in future, or at least make some kind of point)

[PointyHairedJedi]

Point? Oh, right, I keep forgetting you're new here.

Ah, Topic Title, how we miss thee....

EDIT: Also, interesting idea (figured I should probably actually, y'know, address your post in some manner too).

[Derek]

I think I'd prefer a post-Nemesis series. Janeway's an admiral. Picard's a diplomat. B4 will be there, of course, having developed a bit further.
I must be half-asleep and/or watching too much sf/f because I read this and started thinking about Babylon 4. ("Huh? Why would post-Nemesis involve Babylon 4? Is this guy trying to merge the two universes and put Trek in the far past of B5?")

And before I could wake myself up sufficiently to resolve that problem, I then read:
(Incidentally, what's the last thing that happened to Lore? He could participate.)
...and thought, "Well, he's probably a lounge singer somewhere." Then I realized it said Lore not Lorne.

[whoiam]

I'm not sure whether I should be sending Derek some sleeping pills or some Klingon strength Coffee, but we definitely need to get him onto something...

[Chancellor Valium]

How about a series were 99.99% of the crew isn't humanoid and from America? :P

[PointyHairedJedi]

Uh, we already have that, Valium. It's called Doctor Who. :P

[Chancellor Valium]

Uh, we already have that, Valium. It's called Doctor Who. :P

So, that's what's so irritating about the new series :P

[richardson]

Oi.... man, either the five-minute people are staying up so long because they like this place to the point of death, or they put it off until the end of the day. *Cringes, hoping not to get smacked by a hammer of smiting, or haggis pie.*

Anyway, it's possible that it's not the crews and the writing that are making people go away, but bad ship designs! Go back to the original (Refitted, of course!)

[PointyHairedJedi]

I'd have to disagree there - the ship doesn't matter so much (though a nice design is always a plus), not compared to stuff like the writing and general creative vision of the show. The ship is more or less window dressing (though how that window dressing is used exactly does make a big difference, I'll concede).

[richardson]

Well, what would you rather see as the primary ship of a new series? One of the Excelsior test models? (The REALLY UGLY ones.) Or the good ole' Connie Refit (Refitted again.)?

truth to tell, I'd watch any show with a connie on it any day....

heh, then again, I command one, so of course I would...

[Opium]

I'm with Zeke here...a teen show would be not the best idea, and I think the main thing Trek has to do is take a rest, regroup, and then start from scratch, looking at what has worked in each series, and what hasn't. It's the only sane way to go about it. Getting some solid writers, a solid premise, and a solid outline of what could happen for the first season or two, would be more good steps.

[PointyHairedJedi]

One of the Excelsior test models? (The REALLY UGLY ones.)
I contend that there's no such thing. :P

I honestly do not mind that much what ship they use, as long as it's in keeping with the era.

[whoiam]

I honestly do not mind that much what ship they use, as long as it's in keeping with the era.
And not chock-full of whiny academy-age kids?

[PointyHairedJedi]

Oh, with the kids, definitely. Except there would be a horrible transporter malfunction in the second episode (one of the really goopy kinds), and thusly we'd see no more of them ever again.

[richardson]

Oh, Vulcan science officer it must have, and no cadets there must be!

[Nate the Great]

Whoa, what a subject jump! I agree, more nonhumans would be nice, but I'd like to suggest that there be more of species we've seen before, and less people that represent their entire species, a la Morn.

You don't think cadets have interesting lives? I trust most of you either are in college or remember it. Those days were the most ... intense ... of our lives. Anything can happen. Everything will happen, in one form or another. Remember that Starfleet Academy is more than just another college. They regularly go to the moon and all over the Earth to experience new places, to come face-to-face with who they are and what they want to be. Granted Saved By the Bell in Space would be a bad direction for Trek, but what about something serious? How do these Ensigns learn all that they do? How do they see the legends of Starfleet? How did they get to the Academy? How do they deal with scenarios they've never seen before, like death, putting your fate in another's hands, being forced to make other people trust you because you're Starfleet and you're trained to do these things. That's drama, it's exploring the human condition, which is what I thought Trek was all about in the first place.

[mudshark]

Oh, with the kids, definitely. Except there would be a horrible transporter malfunction in the second episode (one of the really goopy kinds), and thusly we'd see no more of them ever again.Howzabout one like we saw in DS9's "The Darkness and the Light"? :twisted:

[Opium]

You don't think cadets have interesting lives? I trust most of you either are in college or remember it.

I think that's the problem...we're in it or remembering it. We don't to see a bunch of futuristic college students going through what we live, and what has been on Buffy and lots of other shows before. And also, college dramas can sometimes end being teen dramas...fake problems, fake solutions, fake fake fake.

Now, if Star Trek could come with Degrassi: Starfleet, and be as good and honest as the original Degrassi, maybe, just maybe, I'd watch.