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I guarantee you weren't expecting today's fiver. Here's the pilot of [iost_uid0]Doctor Who[/iost_uid0], "An Unearthly Child." It's by a new guest writer named Scooter, and he's got more coming, including one that's already in my inbox. What's more, SCMoll plans to do more Who fivers too. A big [iost_uid0]Doctor Who[/iost_uid0] content increase... Who'da thunk it? (Yeah, he probably would have.)[/colorost_uid0]
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[color=#000000ost_uid0]My favorite parts :


[quoteost_uid0][first 8 paragraphs go here.][/quoteost_uid0]

[quoteost_uid0]Ian: And I was born in a crossfire hurricane.
Whoopi: Oo! Oo! I know this one. (ahem) B-flat.
Doctor: Get out of my franchise! Go bother Rick Berman.
Whoopi: Feh.

Doctor: Remind me again why I like humans so much.
Susan: You don't, yet. At this stage you're crotchety and malevolent.
Doctor: Ah, so I am, so I am. Time to electrify the control panel! Wheeee!

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Doctor (muttering): I'm going to have to put down traps.[/quoteost_uid0][/colorost_uid0]
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[color=#000000ost_uid0]Wow! Scooter, you're really settling in nice and quickly here.

Haven't read the fiver, seeing as I know nada about Doctor Who... but I wish I did. [/colorost_uid0]
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[color=#000000ost_uid0]Yeah, I'm with Standback. I've never seen Doctor Who, so I'm sure I missed a lot in the fiver.[/colorost_uid0]
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[color=#000000ost_uid0]Ah, well, that's why I put in the Star Trek IV reference. [/colorost_uid0]
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[color=#000000ost_uid0]I quite liked it, especially the bit where they listed the many shapes a TARDIS could take.

And now I see Zeke has put some pressure on me to finish my fivers by announcing them for all the world...[/colorost_uid0]
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[color=#000000ost_uid0][quoteost_uid0]Barbara: Susan, can't you see that this is all a game you play with your grandfather?
Susan: I was born in another place, another time.
Barbara: Well, we all were, weren't we? I mean, I was born, er, 29 years ago in Little Pigswade, Goofyenglishnameshire. It's near Hogsmeade.
Ian: And I was born in a crossfire hurricane.
Whoopi: Oo! Oo! I know this one. (ahem) B-flat.
Doctor: Get out of my franchise! Go bother Rick Berman.
Whoopi: Feh.[/quoteost_uid0]

[quoteost_uid0]Barbara: Ooo, let's explore this dangerous and barren landscape. Look, Ian, a skull!
Ian: Now Barbara, I've walked all around it and it can't be a skull. [/quoteost_uid0]

[quoteost_uid0]Ian, Barbara, and Susan: Doctor, thank goodness we found you.
Doctor: Get out, fools! Don't you realize this is where we all get trapped together?
Entire Tribe: Make fire or die!
Doctor: Told you. Geez, next time I kidnap companions I'm going to make sure the ad says "experience required."
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[quoteost_uid0]Ian: I'm going to teach the caveman how to make fire so we can split.
Doctor: That would be changing history.
Ian: Now Doctor, how do we know he dinna invent the stuff?
Doctor: Good point, Mr. Scott-- er, Chesterton. [/quoteost_uid0]



Great fiver, Scooter! Keep up the good work!

I have never seen a single episode of Doctor Who in my life (unfortunately), but I still read the fiver and enjoyed it very much! It`s really not a problem for me to read the fivers of shows I know very little about, the fivers turn out funny almost every time.

The way you`ve put in "The Voyage Home" reference was especially hilarious! [/colorost_uid0]
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[quoteost_uid0="Guest"][color=#000000ost_uid0]And now I see Zeke has put some pressure on me to finish my fivers by announcing them for all the world...[/colorost_uid0][/quoteost_uid0]
[color=#000000ost_uid0]Considering all the pressure [iost_uid0]I'm[/iost_uid0] under, I thought it was only fair to share. [/colorost_uid0]
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[color=#000000ost_uid0]By the way, for non-Who fans out there (which seems to be just about everyone), the reference to the controls being written on in magic marker is for real. In the third episode of Doctor Who, the crucial plot point turns out to be that one of the controls is stuck. When we finally get a shot of the control, you can clearly see the label for it, "Fast Return Switch," is [iost_uid0]scrawled on the console in black marker.[/iost_uid0]

I mention this because you laugh about the low budget for Classic Trek (Matt Jeffries spray-painting styrofoam packing and sticking it to the wall, etc.)--well, early Doctor Who wishes it had a Classic Trek budget![/colorost_uid0]

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[color=#000000ost_uid0][quoteost_uid0="Scooter"]In the second episode of Doctor Who, the crucial plot point turns out to be that one of the controls is stuck. When we finally get a shot of the control, you can clearly see the label for it, "Fast Return Switch," is [iost_uid0]scrawled on the console in black marker.[/iost_uid0][/quoteost_uid0]
Have you heard "Seasons of Fear"? Â Because that makes a hilarious reference to that fact.[/colorost_uid0]
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[color=#000000ost_uid0]Woo for Who fivers! This is why I wish I could afford to get DVD's.

Is it just TV Who we'll be seeing, or can we expect Big Finissh audios too?

EDIT: One thing, Zeke - "Who debuts"? I hope that's just a placeholder.[/colorost_uid0]

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[color=#000000ost_uid0]Well, lets see, we have 27 seasons of TV serials, plus all the Big Finish audio, five lines of novels, and BBC anime to get through before the new series debuts next year, cause then we'll have to start on that. Up for it, SC?

On you mark, get set, [bost_uid0][iost_uid0]GO![/iost_uid0][/bost_uid0][/colorost_uid0]
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[color=#000000ost_uid0]The books at least are something I can get - at the moment I'm reading [iost_uid0]Reckless Engineering[/iost_uid0], and darn good it is too.[/colorost_uid0]
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[quoteost_uid0="PointyHairedJedi"][color=#000000ost_uid0]EDIT: One thing, Zeke - "Who debuts"? I hope that's just a placeholder.[/colorost_uid0][/quoteost_uid0]
[color=#000000ost_uid0]I've had to do a lot of blurbs this week (rarely an easy task), and I had nothing to work with here -- I've never even come [iost_uid0]close[/iost_uid0] to seeing Doctor Who. Given those two factors, I settled for a cute rhyme instead of the usual whirlwind of puns and chicanery. If you really think it's that stupid, I'll try and come up with something else.

Hang on... the guy [iost_uid0]is[/iost_uid0] actually called Doctor Who, right? I know he's usually just The Doctor, but does anyone call him Doctor Who? Because I've been going on that assumption, and I know a lot of non-Whovians do so too. (Nobody raised an eyebrow when I used that name for him in "Oasis.")[/colorost_uid0]
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[color=#000000ost_uid0][quoteost_uid0="Zeke"][quoteost_uid0="PointyHairedJedi"]EDIT: One thing, Zeke - "Who debuts"? I hope that's just a placeholder.[/quoteost_uid0]
Hang on... the guy [iost_uid0]is[/iost_uid0] actually called Doctor Who, right? Â I know he's usually just The Doctor, but does anyone call him Doctor Who? Â Because I've been going on that assumption, and I know a lot of non-Whovians do so too. Â (Nobody raised an eyebrow when I used that name for him in "Oasis.")[/quoteost_uid0]
[iost_uid0]I[/iost_uid0] raised an eyebrow. Â But I figured that if it just said "The Doctor," no one would get it at all.

Anyway, the character was credited as "Doctor Who" from 1963 to 1981, but at that point the producer changed the credit to "The Doctor" because "that was his real name." Â

Whether or not "Who" is his real name is a matter of continual debate. Â Early novelizations had titles such as "Doctor Who in an Exciting Adventure with the Daleks"; there was even one episode called "Doctor Who and the Silurians" (1970). Â Throught the show there are a number of gags where someone says "Doctor who?", the best being in "An Unearthly Child." Â However, he is only named "Doctor Who" on screen once, in the episode "The War Machines" (1966), when the evil WOTAN says "Doctor Who is required."

Publicity almost always calls him "Doctor Who," and some insist that it was his name up until the switch in 1982. Â On the other hand, the writers of the 1973 episode "The Three Doctors" wanted to call a villain "OHM" as 180-rotation of "WHO" but did not when reminded the character's name was not "Who."

You'll find Doctor Who fans on both sides of the fence; personally I'm part of the camp that insists his name is not "Who," primarily because it just sounds silly, but you'll find those that vehemently insist it is.

You really ought to see some Doctor Who, Zeke; up in Canada it airs on BBC Kids at 1 and 3:30 AM Eastern Time.

And I'm up for the challenge, Scooter. Â Just need to get working on my E-Space fivers again...

EDITED to add an "n" to Easter, because Doctor Who airs at other times of the year.[/colorost_uid0]

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[color=#000000ost_uid0][quoteost_uid0]You really ought to see some Doctor Who, Zeke; up in Canada it airs on BBC Kids at 1 and 3:30 AM Eastern Time.[/quoteost_uid0]

It may as well not be on, then.

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[quoteost_uid0="Sa'ar Chasm"][color=#000000ost_uid0]"I'm the Doctor."
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[color=#000000ost_uid0][quoteost_uid0="Zeke"]Hang on... the guy [iost_uid0]is[/iost_uid0] actually called Doctor Who, right? Â I know he's usually just The Doctor, but does anyone call him Doctor Who? Â [/quoteost_uid0]
What SCMoll said about the credits and so on is true; there's ambiguity there. But if you go by what is said on screen, it is clear that he is called The Doctor, and that Doctor Who describes rather the enigmatic nature of his character.

The Doctor, however, is itself clearly a nickname (he refers to himself being "called" The Doctor and talks about the honorary nature of his "doctorate", etc.). We do not know The Doctor's real name (enigma again). Even on his home planet of Gallifrey they call him The Doctor. Similarly, the Doctor's nemesis only "likes to be known as The Master"; his realy name, too, is unknown, and the Time Lords call him The Master like everyone else.

The dialog that fixes all of this is in the very first episode, where Ian, meeting Susan Foreman's professorial grandfather, addresses him as "Doctor Foreman." The Doctor replies, "Doctor who? Who?" Some even say that he was not known as The Doctor at all until Ian first addressed him that way!

There are a handful of near-exceptions, including the "Doctor Who?" "Exactly" exchange alluded to above; the Second Doctor once refers to himself as "Doctor von Wer" when in disguise as a German; and most notoriously, a villian says "Doctor Who must be destroyed" in one late First Doctor episode. These are aberrations from the dogma that his name is The Doctor, not Doctor Who. (It's the same kind of discrepancy as Kirk's tombstone reading "James R. Kirk" in "Where No Man Has Gone Before.")

Personally I think this is only relevant, however, if you find yourself actually standing in the TARDIS and physically addressing the Doctor, or talking to K-9 about him. It is quite acceptable for us, in the real world, to refer to the fictional character as "Doctor Who"--at least outside the presence of the most truly rabid fan. After all, it's clearer, as SCMoll noted, and that's why BBC publicity uses it (for outsiders; if you go to the cult site at BBCi a lot of material refers to The Doctor).

There. Much more discourse than you needed to know. I am available at reasonable rates for lectures, parties, and bar mitzvahs.

PS All of this ignores the two [iost_uid0]movies[/iost_uid0] made in the 60s with Peter Cushing. In those films Cushing played an Earthling scientist [iost_uid0]named[/iost_uid0] "Doctor Who." How's that for adding confusion to the mix> [/colorost_uid0]

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[quoteost_uid0="SCMoll"][color=#000000ost_uid0]You really ought to see some Doctor Who, Zeke; up in Canada it airs on BBC Kids at 1 and 3:30 AM Eastern Time.

And I'm up for the challenge, Scooter. Â Just need to get working on my E-Space fivers again...
year.[/colorost_uid0][/quoteost_uid0]
[color=#000000ost_uid0]Many libraries that have videos have Doctor Who tapes; some of the larger video shops are carrying the DVDs, which BBC is churning out now on a regular schedule. Everybody should see at least one episode of Doctor Who. But if you ask 10 fans what would be the best one to choose you'd get 100 different answers. Personally I'd get started with a jolly Fourth Doctor episode like "Masque of Mandragora" or "The Ribos Operation"; that's how lots of people get sucked in. Then go back and check out "An Unearthly Child" (premiere) and an episode from each of the other Doctors to get a sense of the history and richness of texture. The late Doctor Whos are as different from, and as similar to, the early ones as TNG and Voyager are from Classic Trek.

Yay! E-Space! I just did "Earthshock" so if you're doing E-Space we'll have the Alpha and the Omega of Adric. [/colorost_uid0]
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[color=#000000ost_uid0]Another one here with limited exposure to [iost_uid0]Doctor Who[/iost_uid0] -- nearly all the eps I've seen have been with Tom Baker (the 4th Doctor, I think) -- but I enjoyed it anyway. Lots of funnies, including:
[quoteost_uid0]Ian: And I was born in a crossfire hurricane.
Whoopi: Oo! Oo! I know this one. (ahem) B-flat.
Doctor: Get out of my franchise! Go bother Rick Berman.
Whoopi: Feh.
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