The Reference Explanation Thread

[Nate the Great]

No, Colm Meany (yes, that's right, Smiley O'Brien himself) is the king of the leprechauns. Roger Daltrey is the king of the trouping fairies.

[Wowbagger]

Believe it or not... I've seen that movie. And I remember the line, now that you mention it.

(Freak.)

This is from Five-Minute "Azati Prime":

Archer: Oh, gimme a break. You again? What do I have to do this time, go back to the 1960s to stop Gene Roddenberry from shooting JFK?
Daniels: I'm more of a 40s man. But no, we're in the future, so I can explain something to you. I know how much you enjoy saving the future from yourself....
Archer: (nod) I'm a dangerous man.

I *think* there are two references here. "I'm a dangerous man" is obviously a quote. And the "40s man" just sounds like a punchline of some kind. Anyone?

EDIT: Also:

Bouncer of the Underused Characters' Tavern: Welcome back, Mr. Mayweather. Welcome... home.

I know I've heard that elsewhere. Can't remember where.

[Nate the Great]

If it was possible (which it isn't), I'd almost say it was a reference to my fiver for His Way. Remember the discussion about what era Vic comes from? I know that the creators say '60s outright, but I STILL think that the '40s makes more sense.

[Chancellor Valium]

Originally Posted by Nate the Great

If it was possible (which it isn't), I'd almost say it was a reference to my fiver for His Way. Remember the discussion about what era Vic comes from? I know that the creators say '60s outright, but I STILL think that the '40s makes more sense.

He's a crooner. That rules out the 40s, AFAIK. He could be '50s, of course....

[Wowbagger]

Heck, while I'm at it--does anyone here know how to pronounce "Sernaix"?

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Wowbagger

Heck, while I'm at it--does anyone here know how to pronounce "Sernaix"?

I say "ser-nakes".

On a per-lane.

[mudshark]

Coming soon, on the Sci-Fi Channel!

[mudshark]

Originally Posted by Chancellor Valium

He's a crooner. That rules out the 40s, AFAIK. He could be '50s, of course....

I believe it's stated as being 1962 Las Vegas, but tail end of the 50s could work, stylistically. Absolutely not the 40s -- nobody sang that way then, never mind the fact that Las Vegas was pretty much nowhere until the Mob started building hotels and casinos there in the late 40s.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Wowbagger

I *think* there are two references here. "I'm a dangerous man" is obviously a quote.

Nope. I just thought it would be a funny deadpan answer. The running joke about saving the future from himself dates back to the "Shockwave II" blurb; my favourite use was in the haiku day update.

And the "40s man" just sounds like a punchline of some kind. Anyone?

I'm pretty sure that was a reference to where Daniels would take them next -- World War II.

I know I've heard that elsewhere. Can't remember where.

Entirely possible, but I don't remember a conscious reference there.

[Wowbagger]

Thank you, Zeke. The 40's man makes goodsense, and I confess I don't actually have most ENT fivers memorized after "Cold Front," (Though I do, in fact, or at least did, have most of the ones before "Cold Front" down pat.) so the deadpan thing went right past me.

I would check into the Haiku Day thing, but that makes me laugh so hard I save it for semi-annual bad days.

[Wowbagger]

Ovinoculatron?

[Chancellor Valium]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Entirely possible, but I don't remember a conscious reference there.

"Welcome back, X. Welcome...home.", I think is a DS9 line. I can't remember where from, though it could be "Second Skin". Either that or the one where Odo finds his people.

For some reason, the only two people I can conjour as saying it would be Dukat or the Female Shapeshifter. The more I think about it, the more option 2 seems likely.

@mudshark: Good to know that you know.

[Nate the Great]

For me, I suppose, it's the fact that The Rocketeer established there to be gangsters in the fourties. In fact, Vic would feel right at home there, I think.

"Las Vegas was pretty much nowhere until the Mob started building hotels and casinos there in the late 40s."

Exactly! Mobs and casinos!

[Sa'ar Chasm]

Vic was based on the Rat Pack, and is played by a junior member of the Rat Pack, in a setting the writers deliberately wrote to be Vegas in the early 60s. I have my DS9 Companion open in front of me right now, and I'm quoting Executive Producer Ira Behr.

It's the 60s. It's only the 60s. It was always the 60s. They specficially say it's the 60s in a few episodes.

[Nate the Great]

Wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged: A man can dream, can't he?

I'm not disputing that Word of God states 1962. I'm saying that in my warped judgement, Vic doesn't belong there. So what if I'm wrong, it's a notion I choose to keep.

[mudshark]

Originally Posted by Nate the Great

For me, I suppose, it's the fact that The Rocketeer established there to be gangsters in the fourties. In fact, Vic would feel right at home there, I think.


"Las Vegas was pretty much nowhere until the Mob started building hotels and casinos there in the late 40s."

Exactly! Mobs and casinos!

*sigh*

Okay...

1) The Rocketeer was set in the late 1930s (pre-WWII.)
2) It was also set in Los Angeles, where there were indeed gangsters at that time.
3) Las Vegas, which didn't even begin to exist as anything but a remote desert town until well after World War II, doesn't figure in that story, does it?
4) The Las Vegas depicted in DS9 did not exist as such until the time stated -- 1962 -- therefore Vic could not possibly have "felt at home" there at any earlier time, because that there wasn't there yet.

Now... is there anything I might have overlooked?

[Nate the Great]

Apparently this whole "I know I'm wrong, but I'd rather be right" message I'm trying to get across isn't quite getting there. Moving on...

Okay, here's a reference question. What's up with Sybok and the Monkey? (There's a band name. Ladies and Gentlemen, it's Sybok and the Monkey!)